[Chief]

Looks like I have similar bikes to what you're talking about. I have my Ninja because it's similar to my GSXR 600, and I like to ride a lot further and longer so hence the Ninja, but it's not THAT similar.

For the pure ride I highly doubt anything would ever come close to my old GSXR lol, no way not for me anyway. Some days I get off of it feeling a buzz.

Leaving every stop light an adventure lol how true. I've had the 600 long enough now but still just stalled pulling out two days ago. The Ninja pulls out like my last Harley don't need no throttle...

With the SS you probably won't be doing any full day rides or over nighters.

The ZX6R appears to be a thoroughbred. It does one thing and most likely does it poetically.

When I first got the Ninja I thought I'd probably be selling the SS, but that's just not happening....

 

[jjscsix]

Alright calm down, a ZX6 will not blow an N1K off the road. If you mean on twisty's or on a track then yes of course. But doing freeway pulls with my 2022 N1K I've taken every 636 gen to gapplebee's. Of course my N1K has a stabilizer, lithium battery(-4.5lbs), sprocket change(1 up in front and rear), 520 chain(-.2lbs rotational weight), Puig windscreen, fender eliminator/block off plates, and a full arrow exhaust(-22lbs), dynotune/custom eco remap(2-5hp). But even stock doing pulls IN STRAIGHTS I'd keep up with any 600 only 2-3 car lengths behind no problem. I believe I've set the record at 167 speedo on my 2022 N1K, the gearing change and 50->55 tire I forgot to mention also makes the speedo read more accurate than stock. I got sato racing rear sets coming in which should shave off some additional weight. After I drop another 5-10lbs body weight I'm expecting to see 168-169 speedo. I understand at redline a 636 of new gen and even older will read the same if not higher. However, their speedos aren't set up to be as accurate as mine. Of course I'm only talking about straights here. Cause of my gearing a 636 may catch me in a 60-80 roll for a half car length until my top end matches them then pulls ahead. Any pulls done above 90, my N1K and a 636 are dead even. Thank you for your time everyone lol. Wish me luck in making the fastest N1K y'all have ever seen. I'm sure a 636 will all these mods would make it feel like mine was somewhat stock again, but I haven't found a modded 636 to test this theory.

I know this post is a little old but i did not see it before. A full exhaust that eliminates the cat will get you more like 17 more rwhp. A full akra on my 2012 N1k got me that even without the tune. The tune a actually got me no more power, just cleaned it up a little throughout the band

 

[rcannon409]

JJs, I know we have proof of everything you said. If we didn't, what you said sounds like one of those fishing stories.

I can't think of many bikes where an exhaust system would offer an extra 5 hp. +17 is not at all normal.

That can't be an accident. I would bet Kawasaki wanted this bike at 120-130 hp. When the engine was built, they restricted it to their lower limit.

Like you said, the added power just helped the bike. It wasn't like an engine tuned to the ragged edge like you get if you add that much power to most engines.

 

[jjscsix]

JJs, I know we have proof of everything you said. If we didn't, what you said sounds like one of those fishing stories.

I can't think of many bikes where an exhaust system would offer an extra 5 hp. +17 is not at all normal.

That can't be an accident. I would bet Kawasaki wanted this bike at 120-130 hp. When the engine was built, they restricted it to their lower limit.

Like you said, the added power just helped the bike. It wasn't like an engine tuned to the ragged edge like you get if you add that much power to most engines.

My numbers were exactly what Ivan said they would be.

 

[20221000sxrider]

I know this post is a little old but i did not see it before. A full exhaust that eliminates the cat will get you more like 17 more rwhp. A full akra on my 2012 N1k got me that even without the tune. The tune a actually got me no more power, just cleaned it up a little throughout the band

I have never heard once in anything I have read in the hours of research of an N1k regarding 17hp coming from an exhaust change. This may be true if the engine is brought to the limits and more is done to the engine along with a tune. But 17 + the stock hp would be way more than I think a new gen could put out. I do think the older gen 2012 does put out a little more horsepower. I also think an akra on my own 22' would've given it a little more than the arrow. I just couldnt find akra headers, so i went for both arrow.

 

[20221000sxrider]

JJs, I know we have proof of everything you said. If we didn't, what you said sounds like one of those fishing stories.

I can't think of many bikes where an exhaust system would offer an extra 5 hp. +17 is not at all normal.

That can't be an accident. I would bet Kawasaki wanted this bike at 120-130 hp. When the engine was built, they restricted it to their lower limit.

Like you said, the added power just helped the bike. It wasn't like an engine tuned to the ragged edge like you get if you add that much power to most engines.

My instagram is "dgreen462" if you want to check out the N1K!!
I bet my Ninja 1000 stage 1 with all I said above is around 140hp. Can't imagine the tune exhaust did anything too crazy. Top end increasing 161 to 167 6mph(tested so far) and acceleration a little better throughout.

 

[rcannon409]

I have never heard once in anything I have read in the hours of research of an N1k regarding 17hp coming from an exhaust change. This may be true if the engine is brought to the limits and more is done to the engine along with a tune. But 17 + the stock hp would be way more than I think a new gen could put out. I do think the older gen 2012 does put out a little more horsepower. I also think an akra on my own 22' would've given it a little more than the arrow. I just couldnt find akra headers, so i went for both arrow.

The first Gen bikes did have hotter cams than the later bikes did, just like you said. Our info is from Ivan's page. It's been verified many times since it went up in 2010.

The 2020 would be more similar to his 2017-2019 section. You don't get 17 with a good exhaust, but 15 is still good.

https://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2010z1000.htm

https://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2014z1000.htm

 

[Chief]

If it wasnt for the awful ergos I'd say go for the ZX6R, the power delivery is awesome.

This is pretty much the crux of the dilemma. I'd ride my old GSXR everywhere and anywhere and all the time but it's just not practical due to ergos and storage.....

If I ever get around to putting the helibar clip ons, that's gonna change things enough comfort wise, with time I bet I could get some sort of reasonable storage on it that doesn't look out of place. Pure ride experience the sport just doesn't touch the little SS. Sure it's one of if not THE most impractical bike for street, pulling out from a stop requires a ridiculous amount of throttle.

People own them for the cool factor. It's by far being my first SS, the coolest bike I've ever owned. It overrides the impracticality times ten lol.

 

[Chief]

Make your buying experience an event. You're shopping for something you're going to live with. Give it a few weeks, weekends, hit the used market, put cash in their hand and RIDE anything that catches your eye. Make it fun. Don't fall in love with the first bike you see there's too much option out there.

I rode a few with cash in hand. Soo happy I walked away from the FJR. From there I learned I wanted a sport bike I could lightly tour on, not a sporty touring bike !!!!

I generally hate shopping but strongly encourage you to take as much time and ride as many bikes. There's ALWAYS another good deal coming up. Just check FBMP once a day, you'll only get new listings first in your searches (create many) and be ready to MOVE when something that looks good comes up. The best deals don't last long.

Also IMO strongly advise buying used, even if it's almost new the first guy took the big hit money wise, not you...

I got a $12,000+ bike, four years old, 540 miles, for $9000. It's showroom condition. I feel really good about stuff like that..

 

[jjscsix]

I have never heard once in anything I have read in the hours of research of an N1k regarding 17hp coming from an exhaust change. This may be true if the engine is brought to the limits and more is done to the engine along with a tune. But 17 + the stock hp would be way more than I think a new gen could put out. I do think the older gen 2012 does put out a little more horsepower. I also think an akra on my own 22' would've given it a little more than the arrow. I just couldnt find akra headers, so i went for both arrow.

First let me clarify again, this is a full exhaust with no cat. These numbers were very well known throughout the forum when “Ivan” came out with his “kit“ that included a full Akra, Power Commander and a few other things about 12-13 years ago. If you read my other posts you will see i hit Ivans numbers just with the full exhaust.
I cant speak for the 2020 forward as I have done nothing but a slip on cat back.

https://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2010z1000.htm

 

[20221000sxrider]

I am seriously considering a Ninja 1000, and another bike that keeps coming to mind is the ZX6r.

I like the fact that the Ninja 1000 is cheaper, and has a bigger engine.

Any suggestions ?

I currently have a ZG1000.

Given you have a z1000. I bet the 1000sx is very similar. Mine performs very nicely in canyons with all the weight I cut off, she’s still quite a heavy monster. But she’s very comfortable and the power is always there, no need to rev up or go down a gear like a zx6. Both are amazing bikes, I own an R7 and Ninja 1000sx both stage 1 dynotune. Instagram: dgreen462