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I have a 2018 Ninja 1000 I just bought. I Love the bike! I really like riding this for fun as a sport bike on weekends.

I also commute 30 miles a day 5 days a week to work. My present commuter bike is 12 year old VFR800 with 63k miles on it. I love the VFR and it has been reliable. But every time I ride the VFR I wish I was on the Ninja. But I hate the idea of taking my brand stinkin' new Ninja 1000 to work, letting it sit and bake under the hot sun, dust, moisture, rain, outside while my old VFR sits in the garage! So now I'm thinking I want an older Ninja 1000 or equivalent as my daily commuter. Something just as fast (or faster) than my Ninja. Something as much fun (or more) than my N1000 to take to work. Yet this bike should somehow not make me feel guilty beating on it to and from work daily because it's half as much or less than my 2018. I thought....5-7+ year old CBR1000rr, or GSXR1000....etc. They're out there but even 20k miles these super sport bikes are in the $7k+ price range. So why not get a second, older Ninja 1000 right? I've been shopping around and this seems very logical to me from a financial standpoint and I know I like the performance and looks already. (I haven't told the wife yet she will have a cow but meh.....I already have the cash I saved from years of toiling away at my pesky desk job so it's not her decision)

I know some of you good folks have gone down this road and own two Ninja 1000's. Any advice? Is this just a passing fancy for a new Ninja 1000 owner? Should I get something else? It has to be used because the insurance on a new bike is killer. So is registration here in socialist state of CA! It has to be equal or better than the Ninja 1000 performance. No Harleys or European bikes because I want reliability. Sorry but Ducatis and BMW just aren't reliable enough and are VERY expensive to maintain. Harley's are too slow and heavy.
 

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If you're going to have one bike that you don't ride much, then European bikes should be considered.

Japanese bikes are meant to sit out in the sun and get beat on. European bikes are mean to get rubbed with a diaper, parked in the living room with a spot light shining on them, and rode once a week, promptly cleaned right after.

Or if you have to have a 2nd ninja 1000, make it a H2 SX then.

Bottom line, no need to fill your garage up with relatively boring N1k's. Do something fun.
 

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Look for a first generation 2011 ~ 2013. These respond very well to a few mods and make more power than the following years, partly due to a different camshaft. One of these with a full exhaust, modified airbox and Ivans flash will make in the low 140's for horsepower and low 80's in torque......at the rear wheel. It will also pull very strong at lower rpm. Mild suspension mods really improve the handling too and I can hang with the sport bike crowd in the twisties with no problem. I ride my 2013 primarily as a sport bike with the occasional four or five day road trip thrown in. You should be able to pick up one of these on the cheap.


Like you I considered getting another Ninja 1000 in addition to my current bike, but a new one for touring duty. I did not get the hard bags with my 2013. The new bike with all of it's upgrades since 2013 and excellent hard bags is attractive to me since I an now retired and want to do more touring and extended road trips. Also looking at the Tracer GT from Yamaha.
 

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If this is for your own piece of mind then by all means go for it. Many times its impossible to put into words why we do things.

If its to try and preserve the Ninja, Im not sure it makes sense. If it makes sense, I would ask "Preserve what?" Theres no doubt a bike thats left in your garage will probably look better in five years, but how much more will it be worth? Probably not a lot. Probably not enough to buy an insure and extra ninja 100 type machine. Also, with new Ninja having the cornering abs and high end traction control do you want to be without that on the commute?

You said the supersports you saw sell for are in the 7+ price range. If thats the range it will be a long time before those bikes were selling for less than 5.

If I did this I think I would look at a Suzuki gsxs or f model. Similar idea as the ninja, but different enough to be fun.
 

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You seem to be very price conscious so anything H2 is out the window. I agree with Mark, get an early model N1k. Can probably get a good one for under $7k and it will run forever. And I agree a GSXS would be a good 2nd choice, but I don't know how many used ones are out there.
 

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Johnnymark, thanks for the in depth analysis of the '11-'13 because that's around where I'm currently looking.

RCannon, yes I think we're on the same page here (like minds think alike?). I'm not trying to preserve anything. Just for my own sanity. I'll beat on my 2018 when I'm ready to beat on it. As for the more advanced rider aids on my commute, not really an issue. ABS would be nice but not necessary. I've been commuting since 2001 on raw, non-assisted liter+ bikes and less powerful machines. Not saying I will never need it, but I mitigate the risk by just being pro-active. I hope to never need it but I won't turn down an ABS equipped bike. Nevertheless I won't turn down a non-ABS equipped bike either. So I'm neutral in regards to that.

Yes I've considered the gSXS1000f. Test rode it before I chose the N1k. It definitely ticks all the right boxes for me except for one, very glaring box: looks! The GSXS1000f looks like a scooter to me! I just can't get over that and I'll have to live with it if I bought this bike. The naked one is so much better looking. The F model is like marrying a woman who's a great cook, knocks my socks off in bed, makes a ton of money and buys me toys, but she's kind of ugly. I just can't! LOL! Compared to the ANY N1k, the GSXS1000f just looks like Big Bird with skinny legs. If I find a naked one though for the price I'm shopping at now that will change my decision.

Burtcaster & Zaph, yes I'm very price conscious. I having one moving violation and my insurance wants to charge me an extra $700/year on my 2018 N1k! That and vehicle registration in California is EXPENSIVE! Don't ask me how much it is for the Ninja. My 12 year old VFR800 is $200/year to renew registration so extrapolate that on a 2018 Ninja 1000! So I need to be financially crafty to make this evil plan work by keeping the purchase price down. European bikes are out of the picture. Too high maintenance, nowhere near as reliable, and parts availability sucks. Looked at an Aprilia Tuono 1100...$1500/12k miles for major service. No thank you. Monster 1200....on the same boat and Ducati won't even sell you a Service Manual (they want you to take it to dealer). BMW S1000r....doesn't have a great reliability record. A good friend has a 2017...had to get it towed back to dealer after 3k miles for transmission problem recall. Then now engine is making some godawful racket at idle; like valvetrain related. No thank you. My other good friend has a 2018 Triumph 765rs, which I really liked after test riding. He low sided it...seemingly minor damage but it took, are you ready? 3 months to get all the parts from Triumph. So he had no bike to ride for 3 months while the bike sat waiting! Nice bikes though and yes, loaded to the brim with features and very fast.

Whether or not get another N1k, if nothing changes I'll be commuting on the VFR800 with no rider intervention, a shrinking parts availability as many parts are now being discontinued by Honda, and I'm just plain getting tired and bored with it. It may be "just" a commuter bike but I enjoy my commute as much as I do my weekend rides.
 

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If you're going to have one bike that you don't ride much, then European bikes should be considered.

Japanese bikes are meant to sit out in the sun and get beat on. European bikes are mean to get rubbed with a diaper, parked in the living room with a spot light shining on them, and rode once a week, promptly cleaned right after.

Not trying to argue one way or the other about owning a 2nd bike. I owned 2 bikes for the OP's same reasons and it just didn't work out for me. It made much more financial sense to just own one and add/remove the bags as needed depending on what I was doing with it at that particular time.



Now... having previously owned a Triumph Sprint ST in the past that I owned for 8 years and put over 50k miles on it, I disagree with the above statement. That Sprint was ridden extensively and definitely not babied. It was a fantastic bike that served me well and saw about 2/3 of the country. I had one problem with it the entire time I owned it and it was an easy fix (throttle position sensor). I still miss that bike.



Just sayin' :)
 

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Another way for me to justify (to myself) why I want to get a 2nd bike is...I already have this second bike (VFR800) that I want to replace. So having only one bike is not something I'm considering at the moment. Maybe when I retire in a million years or so. LOL!
 

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My 12 year old VFR800 is $200/year to renew registration so extrapolate that on a 2018 Ninja 1000!
I know exactly where you are at. I just re-upped my CA registration on my '18 H2 SX SE. $285. I paid nearly that much in registration and sales tax combined last year when I bought it, before governor Moonbeam doubled our registration fees. It is also a stab in the chest to pay $4.50 per gallon right now for premium out here.

I am going the other way on the second bike idea (well, third, but anyways). I am getting an 09 MV Augusta Brutale 1078RR this week as the "other" bike. It is a crazy five way trade, reducing my garage by three bikes in the mix. Older MVs have a terrible resale value yet they are quite dependable for an "exotic". I get to go from a garage full of projects to having everything running other than my two Muzzy Superbikes that I will probably never start. Time to focus on finishing the Muzzy Superbikes.

I have had it with the People's Republic of California, and have been there for some time. I just need to get on it and move out of here.
 

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I’ll share my opinion, besides the cost disadvantages of owning a 2nd ninja (hate the unreasonable high insurance cost on full coverage), you may end up disappointed by one of the Ninjas.
After you purchased the 2nd one, if it turns out putting more smile on your face you might dislike your 2018, and opposite, if you didn’t enjoy its ride as much as the 2018 ninja, then you won’t ride it as much and ended up riding your 18 or VFR which defeat the original purpose.

Truth is while they are both the same bikes, there are enough differences between 13 and 18 to make you like one more than the other.
While I’m also a big fan of owning couple of a unique or hard to find toys, I don’t think by any means a ninja falls into the category of unique or hard to find product.

So I’ll ride the crap out of the 2018, and when it got old, or boring, will change to something else.
Now if you were looking for a different type of bike as the 3rd bike... that would be a whole different conversation.
 

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Now... having previously owned a Triumph Sprint ST in the past that I owned for 8 years and put over 50k miles on it, I disagree with the above statement.
You know it's kinda weird but for some reason mentally I don't really count Triumph as a European bike. I'm generally thinking mostly Italian, or just maybe a little German or Austrian. I never had any problems with my Triumphs either, aside from crashing them at 140 mph.

Anyway, I have the solution for OCLandspeeder. The Ninja 1000 lite: A 2010-2013 Z1000. The best years, IMHO, before current models got grotesquely curvy and bug eyed looking. I almost bought one of these instead of my N1K myself. If you gotta have two in the garage make one nekkid! Pretty reasonable used too. Feel that warm Cali wind once in a while rather than hiding behind a fairing.

 

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I never had any problems with my Triumphs either, aside from crashing them at 140 mph.

Anyway, I have the solution for OCLandspeeder. The Ninja 1000 lite: A 2010-2013 Z1000. The best years, IMHO, before current models got grotesquely curvy and bug eyed looking. I almost bought one of these instead of my N1K myself. If you gotta have two in the garage make one nekkid! Pretty reasonable used too. Feel that warm Cali wind once in a while rather than hiding behind a fairing.




First off, you should never wreck your bikes. It's bad for them and potentially very bad for you. :wink:



Second, that's a fantastic idea about getting a Z1000! Especially that color combo.
 

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I had a 2011 Z1000 before my 2014 N1K. It was a major factor in me selling my Connie 14 and getting a N1K. The aerodynamics are odd on the Z1000. When I first bought it and would reach forward to find the invisible windscreen. It was the complete opposite of my Tuono Factory. That bike threw me all over the road. On a day with reasonably calm wind I felt like there was a windscreen on the Z1000.
 

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I have had it with the People's Republic of California, and have been there for some time. I just need to get on it and move out of here.
Two words.....North Carolina. Sure, you have to deal with some winter, but it's beautiful, cost of living is very reasonable in most places and there are superb motorcycle roads all over the mountains. Would be there now but the wife has family here and does not want to move.
 

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If I were living the SoCal commuting nightmare something like a Versys 650 ABS is my pick. Slim build, upright ergos for great vision, tires that aren't oversized and costly. Bulletproof. Inexpensive to operate. 2014 was the first year with ABS, and that one still had the cool stacked headlights.
 

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I have a 2018 Ninja 1000 I just bought. I Love the bike!

But I hate the idea of taking my brand stinkin' new Ninja 1000 to work, letting it sit and bake under the hot sun, dust, moisture, rain, outside while my old VFR sits in the garage! So now I'm thinking I want an older Ninja 1000 or equivalent as my daily commuter.

Should I get something else?
OMG.

Dude: Get a COVER! Leave it at work. Use it every day.

Spend the money you saved on Booze and Hookers. :grin:
 

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It was always harder when my bike was brand new to park it out in the parking lot at work. In fact, I even skipped a few days when the bike was new and the weather was particularly rainy and nasty. But, it doesn't take long before it was back to a daily ride and my psyche was better for it. Get a cover or not but I found it easier to work all day knowing that I had a ride (no matter how short) waiting at the end of the day.
 
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