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I've been running Bridgestone sport touring tires on my 2014, and am a bit disappointed with the mileage I'm getting:

Rear T30 EVO - 3,700 miles

Front T30 EVO - 4,500 miles

Rear T31 GT - 3,800 miles

I have run all these tires at 36psi front, 42psi rear.

Does this Ninja just eat tires, or are these Bridgestones known to not last? My previous sport tourer was an Aprilia Falco, and I used to easily get over 6,000 miles out of Bridgestone BT23 and Michelin Road 4 sport touring tires..
 

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That is odd. I never ran T30s long enough, as I sold my Connie 14 that had them on after a couple thousand miles. I get 7-8000 out of S21 Bridgestones, and that is considered more of a sport tire.
 

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>"Does this Ninja just eat tires, or" are you always On It? lol


I aim for 8 but will put on new tires at 7 if I have a long ride planned.

Pirelli Angel GT. Can't say enough good about them.

I don't have any experience with Bridgestones on a bike, so can't compare there.
 

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Here are the mileages I have gotten out of my tires. Pressures are normally 36 PSI Front and 42 PSI Rear.

My riding style I would describe as moderately spirited “Pace” riding (Yes, I’m a big fan of Nick Ienatsch’s “The Pace”), and I usually wear out both front and rear together.

2012 N1K

1. OEM Bridgestone BT-016’s ------- 3,200 Miles
2. Michelin PR2’s (180/55) ----------- 7,100 Miles
3. Pirelli Angel GT’s (180/55) -------- 5,600 Miles
4. Michelin PR2’s (180/55) ----------- 8,500 Miles
5. Michelin PR2’s (180/55) ----------- 6,100 Miles (Changed early for an upcoming trip)
6. Michelin PR2’s (180/55) ----------- 7,900 Miles
7. Michelin PR4’s (180/55) ----------- 7,300 Miles
8. Michelin PR2’s (190/50) ----------- 7,700 Miles

2017 N1K

1. OEM Bridgestone S20’s ------------ 4,300 Miles
2. Michelin PR2’s (190/50) ----------- 7,500 Miles
3. Michelin PR2’s (180/55) ----------- Currently at around 3,000 Miles (wearing nicely)

I've been pretty happy with the PR2's, but occasionally I do get curious enough to try something new. I really liked the feel of both the Angel GT's and the PR4's. I can't comment on the Angel's performance in the wet, but I can attest to the PR4's exceptional grip and confidence inspiring feel even in heavy rain. Having said that, I prefer the PR2's simply because they are more than adequate for my riding style, and they offer an incredible value for the price. They aren't the best at any one thing, but they still provide good solid performance in both the wet and dry. I've never felt I was giving anything up by sticking with the PR2's, nor have I ever "out rode" their capabilities.

If I had to ding the PR2's it would be that they aren't available in 190/55. That hasn't been an issue for me, as I've been happy with the performance improvements afforded by the 180/55. However, I would like to try a 190/55 just to see what (if any) difference there is.
 

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Hmm, based on the responses so far, I'm considering Angel GTs and Michelin Road 4 or 5. And btw I'm running 190/55 in the back.

Michelin is very odd in that they still offer Pilot Road 2, 3, 4, and 5. Are the PR2s that you are using made recently, or are they old stock tires? I bought a Pilot Power 2CT for my Street Triple, that model has been around since 2006 I think, and it was made in February 2018.
 

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I wanted to see once last year just how many miles I could get from a set of AGTs so I diligently tried to be gentle on them and maintained air pressure like it was life altering important. Seemed foolish then, and more so today but you know it was one of those challenge myself type deals to see how far it could be stretched. Well lets just say I wasn't able to ace the challenge as there were just to many (DAMN HOLIGAN) tempting opportunities..... yet would still score myself a B+ which showed a lot of restraint for me. LOL

Made a little over 8500 miles on the rear and another 4000 miles after that on the front. pressures were near maxed out all the time and both were 100% shot at that mileage, and should have been changed somewhere around 1000 miles sooner then those figures but as I mentioned.... it was a challenge.
As someone else here may have already mentioned though just about any of the big brand multi compound high silica sport touring tires of today are light years ahead of we road on as younger men.
 

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Hmm, based on the responses so far, I'm considering Angel GTs and Michelin Road 4 or 5. And btw I'm running 190/55 in the back.

Michelin is very odd in that they still offer Pilot Road 2, 3, 4, and 5. Are the PR2s that you are using made recently, or are they old stock tires? I bought a Pilot Power 2CT for my Street Triple, that model has been around since 2006 I think, and it was made in February 2018.
MFG Dates for my current set are: F - 4417; R - 2016. The tires were ordered, and installed back in June.

These ages are relatively typical for the PR2's I order from Rocky Mtn ATV/Riders Domain (Formerly Jake Wilson). I've gotten them anywhere from less than a year old, to upwards of 2.
 

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I don't understand why people only consider the Michelins, Pirellis and stones when considering sport touring tires when the Dunlop RS III's consistently beat them all in every independent test I've seen. And that's not only in tire life but wet and dry handling too. Mine have 3k miles and they look brand new. Plus, they handle far superior to the S20 sport tires that came on the bike. I've never experienced a good Bridgestone tire.

I don't know if they're superior to the new PR5 because I haven't seen any comparisons yet, but I know they handle as well as Q2's I've had. I don't think there's any other sport touring that can touch them.

Example: Dunlop Roadsmart III Performance-Touring Tire Review
 

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Burt, thats a great comment, and its true, for me, That isnt a brand that really jumps out and makes me want to buy.

The tires that come on Japanese bikes are built to oem standards. They might say, Dunlop, Brigestone, or whatever on them, but they are built to a low quality, cheap standard. It would be a real surprise to have an aftermarket tire that was not better.

A good example is the bto16 tires that were on our 11-13 bikes. Those are trash. An aftermarket bto16 is a decent tire, although it lasts 1/2 as long as a Michelin of equal spec. That makes the 40.00 initial savings a non issue.

I might consider them for a concours 14, but on this bike, i won't be considering any tire that's projected to last 12,500 (rear) and 20,000 (front) That's what's shown in this test. https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/dunlop-roadsmart-iii-motorcycle-tire-review#page-3

I've upgraded my suspension and brakes. I'm not installing a tire that's hard. I want something more sport oriented.

The second part is why Dunlop and Brigestone can kiss my ***. The fact that they sell their name out on the garbage, oem tires bothers me.

I can't say I've loved every Michelin I've owned, but all have been a good value. I can't say the same for Dunlop or Brigestone. With mail order prices, im not paying over 350.00 for a full set of any brand, and I just don't like taking chances on companies who have burned me before.
 

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My last set was PR4 and I was pretty happy with them until the front started cupping and the rear lost a lot if its performance and siping ability long before it reached the wear bars. These were my 1st non OEM tires on this bike so I had nothing good to compare to. I was going to get Road 5 next since those issues are reported to have been addressed but opted to give Roadsmart III a shot based mostly on price with rebates, comparable or better reviews to PR4, and a very unscientific theory some have that Roadsmart III are less squirmy on tar snakes.
After 1,000 miles and 1 track clinic I am very pleased. They seemed very stable, planted and sticky on the track but I have nothing to compare since it was my 1st track experience. I'd say they perform at least as good on the street as PR4 but have not been caught in the rain yet.
Time will tell how well they wear and I'll certainly know more after an upcoming 7 day trip through the Smokies and Appalachia.
I like these tires a lot more than the PR4's I had but that has a lot more to do with finally going with a 55 rear and pushing the forks up 6mm which totally transformed turn in.
As for the tar snakes: who knows? I have been on the same roads a couple times that have been nerve racking in the past without even a mild scare but I may just be getting better at navigating them or it could be just luck.
 

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Thanks @tomb393 for your thoughts on the PR4's and the Roadsmart III's.

I just wore out a set of Michelin Road 5's and here are my thoughts on how they compare to the Pirrelli Angle GT's. I've put over 32,000 Miles on 5 sets of Angle GT's on my 2015 Ninja 1000. When the Michelin Road 5's were released with all the glowing reviews (and the promise of higher millage) I thought it might be time to try a set.

1) Price per Set @ Revzilla:

Angle GT's = $328
Road 5's = $370 ---- The Michelin's are 13% More Expensive. Will they make up for it in higher millage or performance?

2) Wear:

Angle GT's = Always wore evenly front to back, and sides to flats. No Cupping, and very little handling change throughout their life.

Road 5's = The Front wore out 1000 Miles before the rear, and wore out on the sides first. The Rear squared-off and wore out on the flat first! I ride almost exclusively curvy roads with no highway miles. The Road 5's showed cupping both front and rear and got quite squirrely with the sides on the fronts being bald and the rear being squared off.

3) Tread Life:

Angle GT's = 6200 Miles Average thru 5 sets.
Road 5's = 5073 Miles on Front / 5950 Rear. ---- You decide, but most people will change them as a set at 5073 miles for a 22% Wear advantage for the Angle GT's

4) Cost Per Mile:

Angle GT's = .0529 Cents Per Mile
Road 5's = .0729 Cents Per Mile ---- a Huge 38% Premium for the Michelin Road 5's!!!

5) Performance and Grip:

Angle GT's = Confidant and Predictable dry grip, very few pucker moments. Never noticed a tar snake in 31,000 miles!

Road 5's = Confidant and Predictable dry grip, very few pucker moments except for their behavior with TAR SNAKES! The Road 5's seem to completely loose traction over every tar snake, then hook back up once on regular pavement. Many, many pucker moments with the 'snakes'. I almost lost it in a round-a-bout and had a serious muscle pull because of 'snakes'. I had to be hyper vigilant to avoid them, to the point of miss reading other road hazards.

So...

Early on I was hoping the outstanding wear that was reported might make up for the short comings with the tar snakes, but the numbers don't lie! In my book, they are not even close to the Angle GT's and I'm glad to have them back on my bike.

Next I do think I'll try a set of Roadsmart III's and see how they do!
 

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Lots of road trips this year,,.

Ive got the Pilot Power 3's on with 6000Mi,,,,,,I should get 8000 on the back and the front looks like new,,.
My Previous BS S21,s got to 6000Mi before a puncture however they were flatt wearing pretty bad,,.

Got a say I think the Michelin's are wearing much better,,. I may try to go with two rears to one front!!
 

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Lots of road trips this year,,.

Ive got the Pilot Power 3's on with 6000Mi,,,,,,I should get 8000 on the back and the front looks like new,,.
My Previous BS S21,s got to 6000Mi before a puncture however they were flatt wearing pretty bad,,.

Got a say I think the Michelin's are wearing much better,,. I may try to go with two rears to one front!!
Lag, what is your opinion on the Michelin Pilot Power 3 tyres? I have them on my bike and I absolutely love the grip (dry/wet), the quick warmup in the morning and the linear tip-in. Fab tyre for me.

I’ve used the Pirelli Angels, Dunlop Roadsmarts and the Metzeler M7RR and to me the PP3 trumps (ha!) these. The M7RR is a great tyre but I don’t like it’s tip-in on tight turns.

I enjoy trying different brands and am considering the Metzeler Roadtec 01 as a replacement for the PP3... just to see if the grass is greener...
 

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Bikram, thats what's on my bike, currently.

I have exactly 2000 miles on them. The front looks brand new. The rear is starting to square of, and I blame Ivan for that. He kept sending updated flashes, and I HAD to test them.....

I have so damn much flat ground, where I live. I'm 30 miles from any turns, unless the freeway counts. It flat spots damn near everything.

For the next set, im going with the Squidlious formula. He is a friend, from Rider Forum who never made it to this one. His plan was a sport tires up front....like our pp3. However, his back tire was a sport touring tire...like a pr2, or pr3. He said this worked really well and avoided that 2 rear to 1 front thing. He said that his were more of a 1-1 when he did this.

As far as brand, next time, m just not sure. I thought about something in the Pirelli line...,,,?
 

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"Lag, what is your opinion on the Michelin Pilot Power 3 tyres?"
I like the PP3's and can only compare them with the S21's and the original tires,. Both sets were rear 55's,,.

The PP3's seem to turn in more from the front during the initial part of the turn but perhaps a bit more work to increase lean angle,,. I thought the S21's were better for higher speed turns and required less input to increase lean beyond a certain point then the PP3's,,. For the same reason the S21's seemed less planted coming out of turns then these tires,,. I do believe the front PP3 has a sharper angle and rear has a less sharp angle when comparing the profile and this is evident from the side wall ware lines from the start,,.

I like the ware on the PP3's better, less squaring off on the rear, and the front looks like it will go 2 to 1 with the rear,,. The S21's started squaring off at 4 or 5 k and the front had cupping, also the rear punctured very easy once the tread became low,,.
 

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Thanks @tomb393 for your thoughts on the PR4's and the Roadsmart III's.

I just wore out a set of Michelin Road 5's and here are my thoughts on how they compare to the Pirrelli Angle GT's. I've put over 32,000 Miles on 5 sets of Angle GT's on my 2015 Ninja 1000. When the Michelin Road 5's were released with all the glowing reviews (and the promise of higher millage) I thought it might be time to try a set.

1) Price per Set @ Revzilla:

Angle GT's = $328
Road 5's = $370 ---- The Michelin's are 13% More Expensive. Will they make up for it in higher millage or performance?

2) Wear:

Angle GT's = Always wore evenly front to back, and sides to flats. No Cupping, and very little handling change throughout their life.

Road 5's = The Front wore out 1000 Miles before the rear, and wore out on the sides first. The Rear squared-off and wore out on the flat first! I ride almost exclusively curvy roads with no highway miles. The Road 5's showed cupping both front and rear and got quite squirrely with the sides on the fronts being bald and the rear being squared off.

3) Tread Life:

Angle GT's = 6200 Miles Average thru 5 sets.
Road 5's = 5073 Miles on Front / 5950 Rear. ---- You decide, but most people will change them as a set at 5073 miles for a 22% Wear advantage for the Angle GT's

4) Cost Per Mile:

Angle GT's = .0529 Cents Per Mile
Road 5's = .0729 Cents Per Mile ---- a Huge 38% Premium for the Michelin Road 5's!!!

5) Performance and Grip:

Angle GT's = Confidant and Predictable dry grip, very few pucker moments. Never noticed a tar snake in 31,000 miles!

Road 5's = Confidant and Predictable dry grip, very few pucker moments except for their behavior with TAR SNAKES! The Road 5's seem to completely loose traction over every tar snake, then hook back up once on regular pavement. Many, many pucker moments with the 'snakes'. I almost lost it in a round-a-bout and had a serious muscle pull because of 'snakes'. I had to be hyper vigilant to avoid them, to the point of miss reading other road hazards.

So...

Early on I was hoping the outstanding wear that was reported might make up for the short comings with the tar snakes, but the numbers don't lie! In my book, they are not even close to the Angle GT's and I'm glad to have them back on my bike.

Next I do think I'll try a set of Roadsmart III's and see how they do!
I like the way you broke this down like so. Nicely done. I haven’t been a Michelin fan in sport riding tires. I rode many sets of the original pilot road (1’s) because I got a fanfabulous deal on multiple sets on close out. That was a tire that provided great mileage (12k to a rear wow”) at the clear expense of traction... particularly corner traction. I got used to that over 60k miles of using them. It‘s not exactly like I was slow on them... as my preference is knee down at every opportunity. I finally burned through those and went to Angel GT’s. I was immediately impressed and I rode those too for multiple sets over multiple years. Like you, I’d get 6200-6700 miles or so from a rear AGT. I liked them very much in all conditions, and I’m “Aggressive In Corners“ with a capital “A”! I’d typically buy them on rebate. They were doing that rebate thing consistently until they weren’t, and I found myself in late fall needing a rear tire and being faced with a $192 180/55 AGT!
Oh... I forgot to mention the issues I had consistently with the AGT front tires. Theyre a dual compound and they wear at the transition, as they do, the handling goes to heavy like a truck mode. So eventually, I was using single compound M7RR’s on the front to address that issue. For skilled riders who ride aggressively, the single soft compound front makes sens, because the single compound tire maintains its profile throughout it’s life, and it still lasts as long as a dual compound ST tire that ends up pointy with center tread remaining, but the sides bald!
I was happy enough with the rears though.
Anyway. That $192 AGT ask price? I balked at that. I’d been paying more in the range of $152 per rear with the rebates. So... that’s when they basically lost me as a customer.. because they got greedy and tried to extort me for using their tires. As it happened,Bridgestone was running their fall rebates. I got a BT023 rear. I was surprised how well it worked on the first ride... a on off damp half dry 43 degree ride. I was riding 23’s for awhile, and getting around 6K miles out of the rears. I was happy enough. I was riding like I do, knee down aggressively. I rated that tire (023’s) just slightly behind an Angel GT. I had slightly less traction knee down. Not like they were being stupid on me or anything like that. It’s just that I could get the rear to drift, it seemed to me anyway, a bit easier with throttle coming out of corners. That might have been mostly in my head though?
So the BT023’s basically started to go away at about the time the T31’s were out. I ended up trying a set of T31’s on the Bridgestone spring rebate. I didn’t really expect anything much different from the 23’s. I also went to the 190/55 profile on that first set, where I’d been consistently running the 180/55 profiles previously. I was very impressed. I found the T31’s a bit odd steering at first. It was like an “under steer“ effect. I addressed that by dropping the front end about 1/4”. Then steering felt much better. Next thing I noticed was the front tire wore out before the rear on the sides! That was disconcerting. I replaced that front with an S22 (sport) and again, experienced short life span. Ultimately, I tried an RS10 (street racing single compound) front. I can’t say enough about these RS10 fronts. Paired with a T31 rear, front and rear are bald (yes... BALD!!) at approximately 5K miles. The beauty of the RS10 fronts are the exceptional traction and the even wear. They stay round and handling is consistent to the end.
So that’s what I’ve been rocking now for multiple sets. I don’t feel that the T31 rear is less than the AGT, except for the mileage, which is a good 1000 miles less longevity. But if you buy the Bridgestone‘s on the rebate, the deal can’t be beat. I’m into the RS10/T31 combo for $210 or so a set. And I’m happy with the performance so far after all these miles. Others aren’t too happy, because they’re on new bikes, with more technology more power, traction control, and the latest greatest tires such as Q3’s+ and Diablo etc.. ($ching$) and they can not keep up to me on my old FZ1!
I just picked up a set of RS10/T32 on the rebate. Curious how the T32 will perform. They claim a bigger rear contact patch. The T31’s contact patch is still working fine for me with my knees dragging consistently. I agree on your points about cupping Michelin fronts. I could never seem to get michelins to be consistent, especially in cooler temperature. I’m curious about the RS3 tires, because many seem to claim that they perform and that they last. I have to admit I’m not a big Dunlop fan either. The Q2 trackday tires that I used seemed to work well enough traction and performance wise in advance expert groups, but they didn’t seem to want to hold their air overnight etc...
 

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Lots of road trips this year,,.
But will we ever get to cross the border this year??? Let me know if you ever get south and I'll do the same if I ever get to go north. Been too long...
 

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FWIW, southern border is open for US citizens traveling into Mexico. The official line is "for essential travel", so stating "just riding for fun" when asked at the checkpoint is probably not a good idea.

These guys are going in a couple of weeks. I signed up for the last one last March that got cancelled and I'll probably sign up for the next one in the fall.

 

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So that’s what I’ve been rocking now for multiple sets. I don’t feel that the T31 rear is less than the AGT, except for the mileage, which is a good 1000 miles less longevity. But if you buy the Bridgestone‘s on the rebate, the deal can’t be beat. I’m into the RS10/T31 combo for $210 or so a set.
Agreed. Bridgestone T series has been my go to tires for a while now.

I just swapped on a set of T30 EVOs that cost me less than $150/set after tax + rebate. At that price, I don't much care about longevity. I have another set ready to go on. I'm hoping the N1k is less tire wear sensitive with the 180/55 rear now than it was with the stock 190/50. Still, I'll probably change them out as soon as the this set starts to feel less than ideal.

I've had T31 on another bike. Not a whole lot of difference to me. I actually prefer T30's higher land-to-sea ratio for dry traction. I don't much care to ride in the wet, so I dislike the heavy siping that everybody is copying Michelin's Pilot Road series. T31 isn't too bad, but the new T32 is siped worse than PR5. When the time comes, I'm sure I'll stock up on T31s on clearance, like I have T30s now.
 
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