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WARNING, Do not buy mirrors from Moto-Science !!
I recently did this to replace the antennas.
$98 a pair, fully adjustable, in length as well. ( THE GOOD )
But I needed to sell my first born for the express international postage cost to Australia.
Fair enough I’m a long way off. ( THE BAD)
Except they weren’t dispatched for 5 days & then took another 2 weeks in the post to arrive.
So I didn’t have them in time for an 11 day 4,000klm trip. Disappointed or what.
3 emails later to enquire, why would you accept payment for express post & then take 5 days to send the mirrors ?
& how can express post, quoted at 3 to 5 business days take 2 weeks ?
ZERO replies to my 3 emails. ( THE BAD )
Luckily BPAY went into it for me & 10 days later I’ve got a refund for the express postage (that wasn’t,) at least
Just a heads up you guys.
BPAY is better than a credit card payment
Moto-Science ( the mirror specialist )
There a joke & don’t reply to you
Go elsewhere
 

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With due respect.
If you pay for express post you obviously want things in a hurry.
If they can’t be sent for 5 days you should be informed & refunded the postage
$47 is the difference I’ve now got back not $5 or $10,
& if the goods aren’t sent express after you’ve paid for it, there’s also a problem.
& to NOT reply to 3 Emails enquiring ???
As a company THEY STINK
 

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JayDub, I dont mean to say you are not correct. You are, but thats how they roll. Our getting pissed at them wont change their culture.

Assuming they had good customer service, would you recommend the mirrors? Is the quality ok?

I ordered a Brembo rotor from an Italian company, just recently. They did ship quickly, so no problem there.

A few days later, I get a call from DHL. The nice girl told me the driver had made 3 delivery attempts, but no one was there to sign for my package. Yes, she sounded like the sister of Osama Bin Laden, but I was able to understand her. Mostly.

I decided to play along because I have a ring doorbell. If a butterfly stops at my front door, i know about it. There was never a delivery attempt. I had to drive out to the airport to get it.
 

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JayDub, have you seen the "Ish" watch?

https://www.amazon.com/Ish-Watch-Stretchable-Time/dp/B00BPPPOFU

I think it is largely applicable to us Indians and Italians. When you ask someone here what time the meeting is, they will say "Around 12ish". And IST anecdotally translates to "Indian Stretchable Time".

I think RC was just being sarcastic and referring to the laid back nature of us peoples in general.

I don't condone they charged you and took so much, but more in line of setting expectations for future interactions :)

Have a good one.
 

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RC, at least someone at DHL called you. Imagine if they didn't.

Agurudev, the "Ish" mentality applies to a lot of cultures.

If you're a Mexican-American, or just Mexican, they have what they refer to as "Manana" mentality. It translates to "Tomorrow" in Engrish. So they like to say, "You have a 'manana' mentality'...meaning no sense of urgency. It will happen eventually, sometime tomorrow, or maybe the next day. LOL!

This as opposed to the American mentality of, "I needed this 'yesterday' ". Meaning I don't have any patience and I'm in a big hurry, and I want this thing NOW! Or, I waited until the last minute and I needed this yesterday.
 

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We have large First Nation/Indian population here,,learned much from some of them, one theme I had to wrap my head around was "Indian time" which in there own words were "we get there when we get there, it will be the right time" Strangely it works very well in their wold, something maybe we could use a bit more of.. imo
 

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I have zero expectations for speed of delivery outside of my country. If I want something fast, I'll order domestically, and not only that, I'll make a phone call first to insure something is stocked.

A lot of times you can pay for fast shipping and it's an option on the web site but it just means they'll ship it as fast as they can... when it's in stock. You want something fast you better call. Obviously forget it if it's international and you don't speak their local language.
 

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On a positive note, my Sargent seat arrived today, so they had to make it & then send it literally 1/2 way round the planet to Oz.
All achieved in 5 days.
Awesome.
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Mirrors testing today on a warm sunny afternoon in Oz.
Look so much better to my eyes than the antennas.
Easily adjustable inc their length.
Ratchet type knuckle joint to click up n down or fold inboard / upright if needed.
They vibrate a little but you can still easily see behind you.
 

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Good job shaving off the antennae, JayDub!

But now it looks like they're growing back in on your handlebars, sorta like that annoying ear hair. Ah, well.
 

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Yea, I’ve pulled them back in a little now on there stalks, Rick, nice to have that option, but you’ve still gotta b able to see past your XXXL size paws 🐾 what ever mirrors u have.
Ear or nose hair !
Or a rear view camera 🎥 would be great but probably not legal ?
The one on my special lady,s Mazda is an awesome bit of kit.
 

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Jaydub, I notice those mirrors are expensive. Priced way more like original mirrors, or Rixoma, vs the ebay stuff.

Is the quality there? Are they worth the extra money? Do they clear the windscreen at full lock?
 

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I doubt I’d buy another set RC.
The 2 reasons I did was for the advantage of being able to lengthen & shorten the stems easily & the fact they ratchet up n down on the knuckle joint.
So lots of adjustment.
But NO, there not the best quality.
 

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Jdub, despite the issues, I think you made a serious upgrade. I have the upgraded 2014 mirrors, as well as some 1 inch extensions. That makes the antenna look worse, but the mirror does work a little bit better.

I know we had to have a mirror, on our dirt bikes, to license them. However, there was nothing that said the mirror had to work, or allow you to see in back of the bike. It pisses me off when Kawasaki spends so much on electronic safety, and then you get to such a basic part, like a mirror, and find them damn near useless.
 

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Perhaps the mirrors and their location is better on the 2017+, as these don't give me much cause for complaint. Outstanding? No, but definitely not worse than the other brands I've owned. Imperfect mirrors are not limited to Kawasaki. In any case, it's better to not rely on a single indication (such as a mirror) for my situational awareness. Same thing with driving a car, right?

When that awful day comes where moving the head and neck becomes impossible maybe it's time to hang up my Arai.
 

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I agree that mirrors aren't the only tool but I do feel they need to provide a rear view directly from the eyes while you're looking ahead. There's some history behind my views.
Sitting on a 50mph 2 lane waiting to make a left hand turn. Brake light on, turn signal blinking. I'm watching oncoming traffic waiting for a break I can get through when a flash of light from the mirror catches my eye. It takes about half a second to realize the vehicle is not stopping or slowing and to drop the clutch. I remember hearing screeching tires but I don't honestly remember feeling the impact. I was fine, the suburban was fine and we both pulled off the road into a gas station lot. The lady driving the suv was hysterical as in crying so hard she was unable to stand up. She kept wailing "I thought I killed you." The only damage was to the bike. The license plate and license plate bracket were bent and the mounting bolts gouged grooves in the VFRs rear fender.
I'm a firm believer in situational awareness and I don't get surprised very often but in this instance, even scanning the mirrors every couple seconds it was the flash that saved me. The next second scan would have been too late.
And BTW, it's not as if you wake up one day and your head and neck don't move but I have noticed it's harder to turn the head and it doesn't turn as far as it use too. Not ready to hang up the helmet yet.

Ride safe...
 

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If I were to request a mirror upgrade it would be some form of dimming function. I'd prefer a selectable mode for dimming over automatic.

Ken, I think about those rear-ender scenarios a lot. When bicycling, while stopped at traffic lights I'll swing my arms around to draw attention. Every bit of motion helps. My goal is to ride forever. So far, so good!
 

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The best car drivers.
Are also bike riders
Which rules out most of them unfortunately
A friend of mine got rear ended on his bike, stationary at a set of lights, hospital & broken bones put him off, he hasn’t ridden since 😢
 
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