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I received a "performance award" last weekend while riding my N1K, just doing what comes easily in the curves. The posted limit was 50. NO ONE does 50 on that road, not even old Buicks. But that day a well-equipped, expensively optioned SUV contained an local LEO 'trolling for revenue and it was my turn. He tagged me for 25 over ...and rewarded me with the full amount. Turns out that citation's cost would've also bought a premium Valentine detector instead. I don't ride a motorcycle to sedately follow old Buicks conveying sight seeing tourists. It's time to escalate the defensive weaponry. Any advice is welcome.
 

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I learned my lesson too with my first performance award. Never drive unprotected.

I got a Redline and a Max2, Get it at Costco or Radarbusters. I use the max2 on the bike as it pairs with my escort Live which alerts you of known speed traps, speed cameras and it is broadcasted on my Sena 10C.

Audio from my phone and Radar detector is managed by Sena SM10. The phone is plugged on Audio, and the radar detector plugged on the Aux, Aux is the priority. If there is audio coming from AUX, it automatically mutes the Audio.

If you are a costco, It's cheapest to buy the Max2 there. Next os Radarbusters as you get free upgrades plus a year of escort Live. I got my max2 at costco, and Redline at radarbusters.
 

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I've been a longtime fan of the Redline. Great detector overall, very few false readings. I run a LiDAR jammer on another vehicle with good success.

Another thing that helps ms a lot are social driving apps. This doesn't help you in the boonies if there is no signal and you are the one person who has been down that road in the last hour. OTOH - this has saved me at least 5 tickets in the last year on the N1K alone.
 

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Here in Europe they started with undetectable speed systems.

6 light sensors in a row, with 6 reflectors on the other side.
It measures the speed of things passing. If too fast = photo.

Undetectable, as it is just a lighsensor.
And very cheap compared to radar detectors.

The system could do 6 lanes at once.
 

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I used a RAM mount with a flat mounting plate. I went with heavy duty velcro on the device and plate. It helps a bit act as a shock absorber and an elastic band around everything for extra security. Here is the plate I used.

RAM 75mm X 75mm VESA 3.625" Plate with 1.5" Ball Unpackaged - RAM-2461U | RAM Mounts

Just use a long enough extension arm to clear what you need to clear (need good, unobstructed line of sight). If too long it tends to vibrate. I keep a bunch of RAM parts "in stock" for all my bikes so I just swap around until I find what works best.
 

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I am not familiar with the latest detectors but I always heard that the primary device used by law enforcement is a laser gun not radar- point and shoot each car or bike. Do the latest detectors have the ability to fore warn you of a laser speed device ahead of a speed trap when its a single beam being directed at individual vehicles?
 

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I am not familiar with the latest detectors but I always heard that the primary device used by law enforcement is a laser gun not radar- point and shoot each car or bike. Do the latest detectors have the ability to fore warn you of a laser speed device ahead of a speed trap when its a single beam being directed at individual vehicles?
Many of the latest detectors has laser alert but here's the problem...laser = speed of light so by the time your detector sounds off, they already got you. In essence, the warning is only on there to let you know you just got a ticket. Also, I believe the laser beam is very narrow so it only hits the car they're aiming for. Somebody might want to correct me on that but I think that's right.
 
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You are correct Hornblower, it is narrow and definitely aimed at a specific vehicle each time. Bikes are harder to achieve a result from merely due to their smaller, more aerodynamic front-end profile - not to suggest they will not return a speed result, just more difficult than using LIDAR on cars, trucks etc.
 

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Many of the latest detectors has laser alert but here's the problem...laser = speed of light so by the time your detector sounds off, they already got you. In essence, the warning is only on there to let you know you just got a ticket. Also, I believe the laser beam is very narrow so it only hits the car they're aiming for. Somebody might want to correct me on that but I think that's right.
I drive 70,000 miles, per year. Ive found what you say to be pretty accurate.

Occasionally a detector has given me warning. However, near cities it will give 72 false warnings, you shut if off, and are now un-protected.

Its worth a try, but likely not much help. 75 in a 55 sounds like it might be within the city limits?
 

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This is why social driving apps are so useful. I have had great luck as long as their is enough people driving the road with the app. I've had good luck waze but also used trapster before they said it was end of life. Waze has really helped me out a lot. I also use the Escort Live app with my detectors as well when running them.

To be honest, day to day, I don't bother with the detector on the bike. I rely more on Waze. If you are in the middle of nowhere, Waze may not be that great. My biggest issue though has been cell phone data coverage so I can get the latest info.
 

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75 in a 55 sounds like it might be within the city limits?
The road where I received this citation is in the Lake Mead Recreational Area from Overton, NV to Henderson, NV. If you've ever been on that road, you know how great it is for motorcycles. I've travelled that road many times, as do many bikers on the weekends ...some at extreme speeds. It's Federal land, so only a fine and no points on state licenses.

Okay, yes, I admit I was enjoying the ride, enthusiastic even. The traffic was light (off season) and I was truly riding very safely. This is only about revenue. Even cars don't go 50 mph on this road. I think the full speed violation was unnecessary to make the point. The Federal Park Ranger was simply a jerk. In the last five years since coming back to riding a motorcycle, this is the first ticket I've received.

I am very confident the ranger was using radar, no lidar. We passed on a curve, he came around a blind hill on the move, but with a good detector I would've been alerted of his presence well ahead of our passing.
 

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I once got stopped in Arizona. The main thing the detector did was keep me from going to jail. I still got stop, but I didn't get arrested. I followed a group of about 10 cars that were behind a truck with a trailer going up a long pass. Finally a passing zone and nobody was going to pass it seemed.

So I thought a perfect opportunity to get around a bunch of people. Dropped a couple gears and nailed it. Just as I was coming passing the truck, the detector went off and strongly. I had it hidden in my tank bag with a little window for lidar. Having a detector in plain sight is often just a guarantee of a ticket if you get stopped.

Obviously this was an inopportune time to say the least as I was solidly in the triple digit speed range. Anyway I threw out the anchor and grabbed a handful of brakes. It was a sheriff in a SUV who just came around a blind turn near the end of this straight and had me in his sights. At this close range it wasn't if I was going to get stopped for speeding, but how much over he was going to clock me at.

He wasn't even the line of traffic behind me before he flipped on his lights. It was obvious he was in a hurry to run me down. When I saw his lights go on that quickly I just pulled off to the side of the road and waited. In retrospect that was the best thing I did. It clearly brought his adrenaline down quite a bit. More about that later.

So I was waiting calmly on the side of the road when he pulled up. I already had my license out. He asked me if I knew why he was pulling me over. I used to work for DPS and I learned a long time ago, don't say anything. It WILL be used against you in a court of law. I said: no sir, I don't. You were speeding he said.

So on we went. He asked me if I knew how fast I was going. I said no I didn't, I was focused on safely passing that truck with a trailer so my eyes were on the road, not my speedometer. He said you I was doing 87. I inwardly smiled and thought, thank God it was that slow. At the same time, anytime you are over 85 mph in the state, it is criminal speeding and they tend to throw the book at you and you can spend up to 30 days in jail! So be careful in AZ.

I commented that I had waited 20 miles to safely pass so I might have gotten a bit carried away but that was all. He said he typically gives up to 20 mph in a passing situation above the posted limit. However on account of me pulling over immediately, and stopping on the side of the road, it was sort of good faith on my part and he didn't have to try and run me down and put others at risk. As a result if I can produce my registration AND proof of insurance, we'll discuss other options. I had printed out my insurance info and in my wallet.

I spent 20 minutes digging through the luggage to find the registration. I never leave it on the bike in case it is stolen. Finally I found it and gave it to him. He walked back to the patrol car and called it all in apparently. In about 10 minutes he walked back to me, handed me all my stuff and said be more careful and watch my speed. I put all my gear and went on my merry way. Well merry until about a day later I got stopped for going in excess of 100 on my way to Vegas.
 

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The pulling over part is not so common here.
Mostly just hidden speed cams, and you get the fine later.

Max I got was 2700 € and 3 months without drivers license.
Because of repeated speeding (3 times in 1 year).

Now that I live in a less populated area, I haven't had a speeding fine in 4 years, and never rode as hard before as now, all the time (except city centers).
**** I love it here.
 
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EXP, I did nto "like" that, but theres not a "OH MY GOD!!!" button.

I once got out of a motorcycle cop ticket by saying something crazy...

He said, "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

I answered, "Because your a dick?"

He started laughing, and could not stop. He said, "First honest answer I've had today..get outta here!"
 

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EXP, I did nto "like" that, but theres not a "OH MY GOD!!!" button.

I once got out of a motorcycle cop ticket by saying something crazy...

He said, "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

I answered, "Because your a dick?"

He started laughing, and could not stop. He said, "First honest answer I've had today..get outta here!"
A judge is a bit harder to manipulate :(

With the big fine, I was unlucky with the judge (she has a reputation on very hard speed punishments).
She said you're young & you have a history, and blablablabla ...
I wasn't even able to defend myself. The said speed was not correct, and there was not any proof of that speed (which is a requirement here in Belgium), I never was able to see the photo ... but neither was I able to argument that.

My last fine was with a local judge here. I was one of the first to arrive at the police court, and I saw her arriving in a Porsche Cayman S ... not a car you buy for its looks (previous model) ...
I got away with 2 weeks & a small fine, about 50% what I'd normally get where I used to live.
 

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At the same time, anytime you are over 85 mph in the state, it is criminal speeding and they tend to throw the book at you and you can spend up to 30 days in jail! So be careful in AZ.
Slightly off topic but I have a trip planned this summer that will take me through Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana. Which states / areas should we be extra careful of getting performance awards / free lodging at the local county Sheriff's hotel ?
 

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How fast do you like to roll? I've rolled pretty quickly a bunch of times through S. Dakota. If you happen to go through Minnesota, watch it there. Don't go more than 10 mph over the limit on almost any road. Wyoming in my experience has been fairly relaxed. Colorado is pretty strict. Not to mention you'll likely be stuck behind tourists in motorhomes on a lot of the fun roads and not many places to pass.

A ride to the top of Pike's Peak is cool but don't speed on that road at all. At max don't go more than about 5 mph over the limit unless you have someone blocking for you. I got stopped 2 times in my high performance car coming down the hill. Both times I was able to talk my way out of any awards. I thought I was watching the speed pretty closely as well. One time they also stopped me to check my brake temps (on the same car) and wouldn't let me proceed until they cooled down. I have NO idea why my brakes were warm. ;)

Nebraska is a little more lax on main highways but I wouldn't go more over 10 mph above the posted limit. I would suggest hitting New Mexico if you can. I once was doing 100 mph on the highway between Santa Fe and Albuquerque and was passed by a sheriff in a pickup truck who never looked my way. They are generally fairly relaxed when between cities.

Good link here.

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2015/07/the-strictest-and-most-lenient-states-for-speeding-and-reckless-driving/

The mention New Mexico but my experience is counter to theirs EXCEPT as I mentioned about within city limits. There aren't that many cops in general on the highways in the more rural areas. I can't tell you how many times I was way up into the triple digit range on cars & bikes. Of course YMMV.
 

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This is mine:


1. Radar detector is a pay to play game.
2. Laser detection is useless since once you've been alered ona laser detection, it's already too late. HOWEVER, if they are not shooting you and shooting several cars, it will give you a warning that there is live lidar in the vicinity.
3. Laser jammer (BLINDERS) + Radar detector + Veil is the complete protection.
4. Mountains and twisties, radar and pop radar are usually used. Long wide straights, HIGHWAY, sweepers, expect it to be a combination of both but it will still depend on which state you are in.
4. Don't exceed +10 in city streets!
 

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What phone mount you got there angelo, nice electronics setup.
 
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