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The Kawi Demo Days events are great for many reasons, not the least of which is that all attendees get a Kawi Kash voucher good for $500 off a new bike. Worked out great for me.

Some dealers are unrealistic about listing prices on leftover stock. $13k for an '18 is nuts. The nearest dealer here has listed the same '18 at $9299 for the longest time. I asked them to give me an OTD quote, and the sales dude came back with $12k+. Thanks but no thanks. As far as I know, that bike is still sitting on their floor.

Anyhow, looks like dealers are starting to discount 2020's. No doubt this Covid slowdown is putting the hurt on them: https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2020-Kawasaki-Ninja-1000SX-5011744599

It is a buyer's market right now. I would not be afraid to work an even better deal than $10500 on leftover stock.
 

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The Kawi Demo Days events are great for many reasons, not the least of which is that all attendees get a Kawi Kash voucher good for $500 off a new bike. Worked out great for me.

Some dealers are unrealistic about listing prices on leftover stock. $13k for an '18 is nuts. The nearest dealer here has listed the same '18 at $9299 for the longest time. I asked them to give me an OTD quote, and the sales dude came back with $12k+. Thanks but no thanks. As far as I know, that bike is still sitting on their floor.

Anyhow, looks like dealers are starting to discount 2020's. No doubt this Covid slowdown is putting the hurt on them: https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2020-Kawasaki-Ninja-1000SX-5011744599

It is a buyer's market right now. I would not be afraid to work an even better deal than $10500 on leftover stock.
The 10500 is a private sale and the $16000 is dealer all in. I am working in CDN $$ so one of mine is only worth $.71 of yours. COVID has hit our currency pretty hard.
$10500 = $7417 USD and $16000 = $11300 USD for reference sake.
 

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I can get the 2020 for $11094.00 USD all in. Is it a better proposition now that we are on the same currency? Im comparing to the used 19 for $7417 USD + acra ecxhaust for $1350 USD total cost is $8767.00 USD.
 

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My bad. Didn't realize you're a Canuck. :smile:

Dunno the prevailing market winds there up north, but those prices sound pretty good.
 

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In true Canuck fashion I'm staring at a snowstorm. Its -18 C or -1 in old money. Bike shopping is the only happiness out there right now.
The dealer locked their doors and you have to be individually escorted to a bike to look at it thanks to COVID. At least bike shops are essential. :)
 

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So now we know the real difference is $2327.00 USD between a 19 and a new 2020. Is it worth that for the goodies?
 

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It depends on your financial position in the next 6 mos.

From a purely financial perspective, the '19 for $7.4k is the best value. Adding a full Akra to it is NOT a good value. It's because you get 99% of the performance of the '20 for $3.6k less. Throttle by wire, TFT display, and quick shifter isn't worth the $3,600 premium on the 2020.

A full Akra is a waste of money. Slip-ons make more financial sense if you just want the look. Because a full Akra won't improve the performance of your bike to the point where it even comes close to a liter class Super Sport. Nothing you do to the N1k will give you that performance advantage short of supercharging it. At that point you may as well get an H2 SX or an Z-H2.

If you have money to burn, get the 2020 and never look back. But if money matters, get the '19 and put simple slip-ons for $500-$700 if you can't stand the look of the OEM mufflers.
 

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The acra was for the single side exhaust and the drop of 20Lbs more than performance per say.
 

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It depends on your financial position in the next 6 mos.

From a purely financial perspective, the '19 for $7.4k is the best value. Adding a full Akra to it is NOT a good value. It's because you get 99% of the performance of the '20 for $3.6k less. Throttle by wire, TFT display, and quick shifter isn't worth the $3,600 premium on the 2020.

A full Akra is a waste of money. Slip-ons make more financial sense if you just want the look. Because a full Akra won't improve the performance of your bike to the point where it even comes close to a liter class Super Sport. Nothing you do to the N1k will give you that performance advantage short of supercharging it. At that point you may as well get an H2 SX or an Z-H2.

If you have money to burn, get the 2020 and never look back. But if money matters, get the '19 and put simple slip-ons for $500-$700 if you can't stand the look of the OEM mufflers.
But I want one! I ride long miles on straight roads. I want that cruise, and now that I've seen one with the green stripes gone, I think I'm in.

I'll wait until next year and get a discounted one, if we all survive...

I really love my 14 now with the Ivan's tune and the 16/39 gearing, two things that so far aren't available for the 2020, so that is making me hesitate a bit.
 

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But I want one! I ride long miles on straight roads. I want that cruise, and now that I've seen one with the green stripes gone, I think I'm in.

I'll wait until next year and get a discounted one, if we all survive...

I really love my 14 now with the Ivan's tune and the 16/39 gearing, two things that so far aren't available for the 2020, so that is making me hesitate a bit.
There are straight roads on the island? I nearly too a job in Port Alberni this year.
I am having analysis paralysis on this silly bike purchase. Its easy when its a ducati i was lusting after that since it was made. I just had to wait until the bottom dropped out on price.
 

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There are straight roads on the island? I nearly too a job in Port Alberni this year.
I am having analysis paralysis on this silly bike purchase. Its easy when its a ducati i was lusting after that since it was made. I just had to wait until the bottom dropped out on price.
No, none on the island, but I don't get there as much as I'd like.
Getting to the curves from Fort Mac is painful!
 

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So now we know the real difference is $2327.00 USD between a 19 and a new 2020. Is it worth that for the goodies?
Hmmm... that price difference would have gotten me to think a lot harder.

Even with the 2020's single sided exhaust, I would still be looking at a slip-on to get rid of the stock potato gun. My Lextek headers + Delkevic can cost me right at $250. Now it's more than $400. Still a far cry from the ransom Akra wants for theirs. To me, the difference is like buying a Rolex vs. Timex. For me, Timex tells me the time just fine.

In 2-3 yrs, difference in trade-in or resell value between '19 and '20 is probably $500. $800 at best. So the goodies has to be worth at least $1500 to you, the rider. I would say YES.
 

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I think you guys are right on this. The 2019 is 99% of a 2020 for thousands less. I have never had cruise control but it cant be worth thousands to me otherwise I would have gotten a Mccruise by now. The quickshifter does not get great reviews so its a bit of a wash and I clutchless upshift normally. I dont care for the batman all black but figure some vinyl wrap and I have custom bike. I will look into the smaller slip-ons. The hotbodies MGP are cheap and small but may be a little loud.
 

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The FULL exhaust adds at least 10hp, up top , and removes 25 lbs of weight. It eliminates the cat, and the heat issues from it. . At 7000 rpm, a good full exhaust adds 20hp. You wont get that with a slip on. This isnt my idea. It's simple to verify these figures.

The price on the 2020 isnt bad, but Kawasaki will screw you. The economy is dying. I'm sure the 2020 will be selling for 9999.00 in no time.

As far as the quickshifter goes, most of the people who damaged gears, on the ninja or z, tore them up with quickshifters. I would let the others experiment with this before I wanted one on my ninja 1000.
 

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The Kawi Demo Days events are great for many reasons, not the least of which is that all attendees get a Kawi Kash voucher good for $500 off a new bike. Worked out great for me.

Some dealers are unrealistic about listing prices on leftover stock. $13k for an '18 is nuts. The nearest dealer here has listed the same '18 at $9299 for the longest time. I asked them to give me an OTD quote, and the sales dude came back with $12k+. Thanks but no thanks. As far as I know, that bike is still sitting on their floor.

Anyhow, looks like dealers are starting to discount 2020's. No doubt this Covid slowdown is putting the hurt on them: https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2020-Kawasaki-Ninja-1000SX-5011744599

It is a buyer's market right now. I would not be afraid to work an even better deal than $10500 on leftover stock.
I was surprised to see this was Mainland so I just called. As I’ve said, he is an aggressive dealer, but I didn’t think he would go that low yet because they are so new. He sold the first one he got in almost immediately. I was in there a week ago yesterday and he had one in stock. He told me just now that he has five in stock! I gave him a bit of a hard time and he came right back at me (laughing) and said “we didn’t get to be such a big kawasaki dealer for nothing“.

He adds about $800 for freight and prep, which is higher than I like but it’s very normal these days.

BTW, he also told me he has a deposit on his first Z H2 and has another one on the way. I really should not be surprised by all this because he did the same thing with the H2 SX when they first came out. He put way more in stock than any other dealer and got aggressive on pricing, and they all sold fairly quickly.
 

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The acra was for the single side exhaust and the drop of 20Lbs more than performance per say.
Yes you are right that there is a gain. I agree 100%.

I'm only speaking from a financial perspective. $1400 is indeed a lot and for what gain? Only you can answer if that's a wise choice to make.

Now forget about financial perspective. This is just my opinion and only applies to me. If my goal is to have THE MOST performance, I wouldn't have bought an N1k. I would have gotten a ZX10R or a CBR1000R, then spend $600 or so on high quality adjustable rear sets that I can lower, and Helibars to raise the front handlebars to make the bike more comfortable to ride. Without even touching the motor, I would be in the 165+ rwhp range, and 440 lbs. wet weight. Still would have wind protection too! The price difference between these bikes versus the Ninja easily offsets the huge performance advantage of a true liter bike super sport. The insurance costs may even be the same!
 

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Yes you are right that there is a gain. I agree 100%.

I'm only speaking from a financial perspective. $1400 is indeed a lot and for what gain? Only you can answer if that's a wise choice to make.

Now forget about financial perspective. This is just my opinion and only applies to me. If my goal is to have THE MOST performance, I wouldn't have bought an N1k. I would have gotten a ZX10R or a CBR1000R, then spend $600 or so on high quality adjustable rear sets that I can lower, and Helibars to raise the front handlebars to make the bike more comfortable to ride. Without even touching the motor, I would be in the 165+ rwhp range, and 440 lbs. wet weight. Still would have wind protection too! The price difference between these bikes versus the Ninja easily offsets the huge performance advantage of a true liter bike super sport. The insurance costs may even be the same!
Totally agree. The exception being that we wanted some real estate for the Mrs. on the back. If i had a ZX10 I would be happy to leave the ergo's alone. But there still isnt much seat for her and the two person push up gets old after an hour or so. The goal was increased wind protection for commuting, more seat for her and upright ergos so she leans on me less. Giving up the least amount of sport to do so. The N1K ticks the boxes but I always like a light bike so even the supersports go on a diet. I have been looking at the lextek exhaust and they seem quite good bang for the buck. Im not married to Acra. they just seemed to be popular on initial search.

A friend of mine whos wife wont go on the back is doing just that. You can make a GSXR 1000 downright pleasant with the recipe you posted.
 

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So far, there has not been an inexpensive exhaust that does much for performance. The stock header is a huge restriction, and so far, none of the aftermarket companies has produced anything cheap that's any different than stock. You would save weight, but until the header tubes are enlarged, the stock bike runs very flat at anything above about 9500 rpm.

Akra and to some degree, Arrow are the only ones who have corrected that issue, but neither sell for 299, so few people ever bought them.

Most are delusional about the power of the REAL supersport superbikes. The american cbr 1000 is a perfect example. If you go back to the stock 2006-2016 machines, any and all of them will need a reflash and full exhaust to get anywhere near 165hp.

Do some research. If your buying a new bike , dont buy a cheap assed exhaust and pretend it's good. I was thinking about one if the original ninja 1000 guys. He was in Texas. I remember him paying 995.00 for a full akra 4-1 system for his ninja 1000, in 2011. Assuming the system was in good shape he could sell it on ebay for at least 700. Probably more. I saw a clean used one sell for 850.

With that said, I dont know how anxious I would be to do all of that to a 2017 and newer bike. The traction control and abs system is amazing. One of the highlights of the bike. I dont know if all of that stays happy when you add sticky tires, add 25 hp, and remove 25lbs of weight.
 

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I was surprised to see this was Mainland so I just called. As I’ve said, he is an aggressive dealer, but I didn’t think he would go that low yet because they are so new. He sold the first one he got in almost immediately. I was in there a week ago yesterday and he had one in stock. He told me just now that he has five in stock! I gave him a bit of a hard time and he came right back at me (laughing) and said “we didn’t get to be such a big kawasaki dealer for nothing“.

He adds about $800 for freight and prep, which is higher than I like but it’s very normal these days.

BTW, he also told me he has a deposit on his first Z H2 and has another one on the way. I really should not be surprised by all this because he did the same thing with the H2 SX when they first came out. He put way more in stock than any other dealer and got aggressive on pricing, and they all sold fairly quickly.
My guess is Albert put in the order for a whole lot of 2020 N1k's long before this COVID-19 was even in the news. I remember him talking about it at the Kawi Demo Ride even at his place back in November. It was a shrewd business move, knowing it was sure to be a good seller. Unfortunately, now he may be sitting on a glut of inventory, with lots of folks out of work and even those still working might be afraid to make major discretionary purchases.

As for freight & prep, it's another adder invented by dealers to fatten the bottom line back up from the attractive advertised prices that bring customers into your store. Doc fee is another one. What's "normal" depends highly on the particular bike and the prevailing market winds. The leftover 2015 250 XCF-W I bought from him was a few coins less than his advertised price, which was already heavily discounted. F&P was... waived. :wink: Then a couple of years later I bought an '18 KLX250S from him. Kawi had stopped selling it in the USA after 2014(?) and finally brought the EFI version back into the USA lineup. My son at the time was rapidly outgrowing (literally!) his KLX140L. I just could not wait... and paid a pretty penny. :grin: All was fair. I like Albert because he shoots straight. At the end of the day, the only number that matters is the finally OTD price. Other than TT&L (for in state buyer), what numbers the dealer puts in each box to add up to that OTD matters very little. As the buyer, I either like the OTD or I don't.

A friend of mine in real estate once told me: "there is no unsellable home, only unsellable price." It is looking like the "sellable price" for the 2020 N1k is taking a nose dive sooner than a lot of us expected.
 
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