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I had some smaller displacement Honda’s going back a number of years (hawk 400, cb 550). More recently Honda nighthawk 550, v-strom 1000, Kawasaki versys 1000 and currently have a KTM 1190 adventure. I do 7-10 day trips along with a few weekend trips annually (two year old has reduced it a bit lately). I love the KTM as it does well in the twisties and when you turn off the safety features you can pop the front wheel with throttle alone 1st thru 3rd gear and it’ll do 250 kmph. Not sure if I’m going to keep it for rougher road trips and add a ninja 1000 sx or sell it and get a ninja. Going to try to find a ninja to test pilot but thought I would ask all of you a question. I’m looking for something more nimble and perhaps faster. HP difference is about 10 more on my 1190 (150 vs 140) ninja is lighter. Anyone have experience on both bikes that can comment? Also any other differences between ninja 1000sx vs ninja 1000 sx se? Love the look of the ninja 1000, in green! Also been looking at the zx14.....
 

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Judging by all your other bikes, a N1k won't offer you anything different except a sportier riding position and better front end feedback. It would feel way more sporty and you will certainly have more confidence pushing its handling limits.

Also I don't know exactly what you mean by "rougher road trips". Rough roads? Inclement weather? Third world countries? The N1k is reliable but it's not an adventure bike. The KTM and the VStroms would be better suited if any of these apply. By all intents and purposes, ADV bikes are the perfect road trip bikes if you're going to encounter rougher than normal riding situations.
 

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If you are comparing specs, its worth digging deeper for the real specs. Kawasakis hp and weight figures are way more accurate than what KTM offers. KTM claimed 1190 power levels are a perfect example of that.
 

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I mean keep the KTR for trips to Alaska, Glacier National Park, 4x4 roads etc. Use the N1sx or zx14r for trips that are pavement friendly. I want a step up in terms of speed and handling from the 1190. Just not sure if the N1 will be enough or if I need to go to the zx14 for that as I still want all day comfort.
 

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If you want speed and comfort, go fok the zx14. The Ninja is for people who want some of that, but dont want to deal with 600lbs. If the weight and size doesnt matter, its more comfortable.
 

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Well he's also looking at the ZX14, which has an even sportier position. It seems sportier & more exciting is what he's after. He's already had the VStrom 1000 & Versys 1000, and is now on an 1190. I say go big or go home. LOL! Hell there's also the naked H2 now.
 

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There is no Ninja 1000 SX SE. Need more clarity on what you are referring to.

You are all over the place, but I get that. I am too when I shop bikes. The Ninja 1000 is nimble, but it’s all relative. I have a Superduke GT that is more nimble, but not enough that it would sway my decision on that and a Ninja 1000.

The ZX14 is a much heavier, longer wheelbase bike. I’ve ridden one, but only a short distance several years ago. So I cannot comment much on it beyond the obvious.
 

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There is no Ninja 1000 SX SE. Need more clarity on what you are referring to.

You are all over the place, but I get that. I am too when I shop bikes. The Ninja 1000 is nimble, but it’s all relative. I have a Superduke GT that is more nimble, but not enough that it would sway my decision on that and a Ninja 1000.

The ZX14 is a much heavier, longer wheelbase bike. I’ve ridden one, but only a short distance several years ago. So I cannot comment much on it beyond the obvious.
I totally missed you have a KTM Super Duke GT.

With all your bikes, I don't really think you will be happy with a Ninja 1000.

Kawasaki makes the H2, H2 SX, and the naked H2 (I forget it's called the Z2 or something). Seems to me if you get a Ninja 1000 it's just the same bike as the KTM SuperDuke GT. Pointless. Same with the H2 SX.

So go for the H2. Supercharged super bike and get something that you don't already have. It would be the same as the ZX14. The H2 is better though.

Or get something totally different like a Husqvarna 701 and go off road.
 

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I went into a kawy dealer today and threw a leg over a N1sx and it felt good! I have a 34” inseam so I think a peg lowering kit and a custom seat that’s a bit taller will make it a great fit! Sat on a H2SX as well. A little less comfy but without even starting it I could feel the aggression! 16k CDN is the special price all in tax included for a 2019 N1sx, plus another $1500 For luggage approximately, one left in green! Another dealer has a 2018 N1sx with 20,000 Km’s on it and the following (Factory Warranty included until 2023 .....Plus Pazzo levers, Oxford Hot grips and Kawasaki frame sliders). Would need to drop $1500 on luggage but still much cheaper than the new 2019. If I get the used one in silver then I can keep the KTM 1190. AsLong as I can wheelie the N1sx without the clutch in 1st thru 3rd gear then I don’t need the H2SX or ZX14. I think that’s the smart choice....thoughts?
 

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I thought you're a CRF fan?
Haha...I was/am but Honda has lost their way. Honestly I like all bikes and I am not a brand loyalist per se. Right now I have my Ninja, a 2014 DR650 and a 2019 Hypermotard 950 SP. :)

Was thinking about selling the hyoer and getting a left over Z900RS Cafe though...that bike just reminds me of my youth :wink:
 

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Do it get that bike. Or get a Royal Enfield 650 Continental GT. This bike got excellent reviews all over. Great motor, great handling, classic looks, easy maintenance. Modern classic more so than the Z900RS Cafe. Or get it as a 4th bike AND the Z900RS.

I also have a Suzuki DR650, although I ride it mostly as a Scrambler (90% paved). I really love its simplicity and down to Earth demeanor. I also like going off the beaten path. After a couple of decades of sport bike riding, I've started to go and do new to me things.
 

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I wouldn't go near a Royal Enfield. They have always built unreliable junk...Yes, the next bike would be better, but never was...they are simple and easy to work on because they have to be. Zero resale value as they have a poor reputation . No reason to get one as long as there is any alternative machine available.
 

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I wouldn't go near a Royal Enfield. They have always built unreliable junk...
There's probably a few million asians who think otherwise. I saw quite a few in India that had been through the wringer for untold years and one pristine model. There's something to be said for a bike that can be kept running with a screwdriver, pair of pliers and a rock.
 

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RC, what you said does apply to their previous bikes. But owners of the "new" models, the 650 say they are much improved. They changed their manufacturing process to make their bikes more reliable. Professional and owner reviews of the 650 echo what RE has said about their newer bikes. The build quality, the component quality, and quality control in the manufacturing process for the 650's differ from the earlier single cylinder bikes. R.E. also have their chassis and engine tuners based in the UK. Testers say the 650's handle very well, with smooth engines. Not it's not a Kawasaki W800!

But anyway, it's a $6k bike with a 3 year warranty. It's extremely popular in India and the UK. I dare you to find a critical review of the 650 anywhere. You won't find it. And it sounds amazing even with stock pipes. I would buy one if I didn't already have 3 bikes. At this point in my life I'm not looking for the most powerful, the latest and greatest electronic controls, even though these are all very nice to have, I feel that none of these make the ride any more enjoyable than a simple machine that is well balanced, well mannered, and tuned very well to be just plain fun to ride. Find a bike like that and I'll bet it's the one you will ride the most.

Having said all that, you can get a Suzuki SV650 that does all of the above too. :D
 
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