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Hi Guys,
Not another Ninja 1000SX SE as before, but a close Cousin, the 2022 Z900RS.
It's VIN dated 08/21, so it's been in the Warehouse in Sydney for a few weeks. It's the Deep Metallic Blue colour with yellow tank stripes.
The top stripe is Gloss Black. There's never enough of Black paint on a Kawasaki Bike is there ?
It's the 1979 colourway apparently. Our Mate here Rolly C will know for sure.

My preferred colour, the Metallic Green with silver stripes, is currently not available to order. Perhaps the next boatload, who knows ?
I am getting it delivered on Monday, the weather is predicted rain, flood and thunderstorm free, so that's a win for a ride.

I was cross shopping several bikes, but stock is scarce; the 2021 stuff is going or gone, and 2022 product is very slowly coming in dribs and drabs.
My shop floor picture below does not do justice to the bike as the leaned over stance on the side stand makes it look squatter than it is.

The Dealer was given two bikes like mine out of a order of four. Thankfully Kwaka Au don't ask for a signed Contract and a copy of the deposit like Suzuki do !
It should be a good companion for that little ripper of a Suzuki SV650 I got in April - boy I love it, always a smile after the ride on back road or highway.

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I know we gave the other rs owner a bunch of crap, but that was for him, not the bike. That's a nice bike.

It looks like dirt bikes, and small bikes are no problem? How if that possible if the shortage is real? I know the smal bikes are from Thaiwan, but your z, a d the kx bikes are Japanese.
 

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I know we gave the other rs owner a bunch of crap, but that was for him, not the bike. That's a nice bike.

It looks like dirt bikes, and small bikes are no problem? How if that possible if the shortage is real? I know the smal bikes are from Thaiwan, but your z, a d the kx bikes are Japanese.
There's honestly a lot of different variables going on. One thing I've personally seen is some dealerships that have stock and are doing business, while others say that they can't get anything. With bikes that are made out of the country, lead time is a big factor, so the bikes on the floor today are there because of decisions made months and months ago. And then, of course, there is the fact that many of these manufacturers are facing supply problems, which are in turn based on a whole chain of problems. You have vehicles sitting on lots outside of factories waiting on radios or some other part. You have companies making decisions about the most profitable way to allocate what parts they do have.

I'm sure Kawasaki is dealing with the same sort of thing, and sometimes you have seemingly strange results. Maybe the dirt bikes are less affected by inability to get components from an upstream supplier (for example computers). Maybe a particular machine, used to make frames for certain bikes at a particular factory, was out of commission for a while because it broke down and the part it needed was unavailable.
 

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There's honestly a lot of different variables going on. One thing I've personally seen is some dealerships that have stock and are doing business, while others say that they can't get anything. With bikes that are made out of the country, lead time is a big factor, so the bikes on the floor today are there because of decisions made months and months ago. And then, of course, there is the fact that many of these manufacturers are facing supply problems, which are in turn based on a whole chain of problems. You have vehicles sitting on lots outside of factories waiting on radios or some other part. You have companies making decisions about the most profitable way to allocate what parts they do have.

I'm sure Kawasaki is dealing with the same sort of thing, and sometimes you have seemingly strange results. Maybe the dirt bikes are less affected by inability to get components from an upstream supplier (for example computers). Maybe a particular machine, used to make frames for certain bikes at a particular factory, was out of commission for a while because it broke down and the part it needed was unavailable.
So my knowledge base is more in bicycle sales than Motorcycle sales but from what I am seeing and hearing its exactly the same thing decisions made long ago see some shops with stock and others with out and not all shops could afford to compete.
Previously in Bicycle sales you would get the bike from the supplier and have 90 days to pay for the bike (established shops) when supply started to dwindle some stores paid for bikes upfront at the supplier before delivery allowing the supplier to also pay upfront before production. These shops had stock all the way through whilst other shops were left high and dry with no supply. A lot of shops just did not adapt and stayed the same and paid a price - my local Kawasaki dealer gets all the new stuff ASAP as he has it ordered and paid for as soon as its available to do so. Went in the other day and he had a t least one of nearly every new 2022 model currently available already on the floor.
 

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A 250 KM update:
I am surprised how familiar the Z900RS is to my ex Ninja 1000 SX SE. The Kwaka DNA I guess.
Very torquey engine, velvet smooth suspension, and a desire not to speed away past the speed limits. Just ticks over like clock.
The speedo doesn't have the beautiful plasma screen from the Ninja's, but it does do the job at hand.

The Z900RS has been around 3 years now, and little changes in production are evident to me. Like the brown/ochre coloured LED's displaying now a bit brighter, and the clutch action more industry standard in bite point. The last two I rode disengaged at 1 mm off the bar fully pulled in. The sharp jolt from the shock over tar snakes and like has been smoothed out.
That was big point for me on the older demo bikes a year or two back now. This purchase was done in blind faith that Kawasaki should have fixed the initial reported issues like 'jerkiness' of the throttle action by now. I saw none then, and still see none in my bike today. No 2022 demo bikes now to ride.

Fit and finish is excellent, it's well made. The Sporting Z900 which is it's parent as you well know, is just below this RS's skin. It yell's Z900 very loudly.
The exhaust can is looks good, but the Rider is hearing air induction noise, not the exhaust.
Point it to the corners, and it knows exactly what to do. Counter steer it hard, and you will do a 90 degree turn, yet it so stable at the bars at straight ahead, it's like driving a car on auto pilot.

Everything is not perfection, there's a few niggles.
The seating position for instance.
The rider pegs too far back.The chrome speedo rings reflective of midday sunlight.
Seat, it's hours on comfortable, but the tank was stretched longer for the Z1 1970's look, but it needs to be 50 mm shorter. That 50 mm has come from the riders bum area.

The result is that I'm pushing up onto the rear of the sloping tank, but the seat is grippy, so the jeans are stretching to keep me off the tank's paint. Tank protector required to be ordered.
There's People with larger bottoms circumferences than mine I guess, and I am up against the riders sloping bum rest area. I take up all the Riders designated area.
The seat feels like I am sloping down hill towards the tank all the time as per a full Sportsbike. Style over function I think - a better seat would be like on a V Strom 1000 where the seat ramps up upwards further up onto the tank, but that's not a 1970 bike then. The Z900RS has a functional seat, but not a perfect one for all sizes.
The seat also feels too high, and I am 180 cm/ 6 foot tall. The donor bike's frame is the reason why it's so tall and I don't sit in but on the bike. The N1K was the same ergo's.
My SV650 is the riding triangle that works for me, where I sit in rather than hang on the bike. Perhaps why I like it so much after 6 months use now.

I'm thinking the accessory lower seat (as per the standard fitment in Asian Markets) is the correct seat for this bike here.
Between the pegs being just too far back (and Kawa saying that they did moved them forward a bit) and with the fore said seat issues, I find that I am riding it like a Sportsbike, arms in tension against the bars. The N1K felt the same to me, but it was a Sports bike.
But saying that, my feet when on the ground, the legs are in the centre line of the pegs, so the positioning of the pegs should be correct for me.

The Rider triangle for me is clearly not at it's best "just now". Not wrong, but not as good as it could be.
It results in stiff neck muscles, but I am getting old at sub 70 now, so wear and tear in the neck disc's is there all day, every day, now. That's life for a Baby Boomer.
At speed, 100 KPH, it's all good. Ride all day.

Gearing
I think the donor Z900 gearing has been borrowed too. This modified engine has SO much torque, it can easily miss a few gears up from first. 1, then 3, then 5/6 are the way to go to get up to speed.
It does bog down of the start line in the traffic lights GP if I use all the lower gears. I think the emissions are at fault though - like it's unsure which set of the multiple 3 dimension fuel maps is needed.
A remap would be route that many Owners would consider, but for my use it's OK as is. When I reach 4th gear, there's a long gap to the cars, but the first few car lengths are a worry if I fluff it.

All in all, a good bike, but it's big test will be in 6 months time when it's 'keep or go' time. Next ride on the SV650 will be interesting, as the Z will feel the new 'normal'.

Rob.
 

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I love that bike. Let us know how it rides and how it handles.
 

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That bike would be a lot of fun with Ivan's flash and a good exhaust.

It has a similar exhaust issue to what the ninja has.
 

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Pretty sure the Z900 and the RS use the same engine as the Ninja 1000, less bore but same stroke. Awesome bike... but I couldn't wrap my head around manufacturer just make a "retro" version of any bike and jack the price up without any justification. The Z900SE has better suspension, brake and cost lest than the RS. :censored:
 

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Not going to be imported into Australia, same the yellow Z900RS SE.

Rob.
Dealer tells me it's now coming to Australia. KAWASAKI LAYS OUT ITS FUTURE - Australian Motorcycle News

My Z900RS has it's first service, and some here will be very surprised to read I've part company with it after 5 weeks.
I've decided I don't really need it at the moment, and will be looking for a LAMS/A2 lower powered bike next year most probably a 2022 Honda CB500X or the updated Versys 650.

So it's back on the Dealer forecourt getting sunburnt out in our blistering hot Summer sun.
For reasons I can't say here to much about, it was an unexpected buy based on promises I made made months ago to buy one.

Anyway, someone will get a new bike at second hand prices. I've noted they seem to come back for re sale under 4,000KM frequently, and looks like I am not alone in parting with this model.
It's a good bike, has a few issues that Kawasaki can fix, like dropping the price closed to the base Z900 and fitting the accessory lower option seat as standard.
Otherwise it's a good basic bike, but there are better one's out there for the top money they ask IMHO.
I've asked the Dealer to tell me if they put a new 2022 Z900 on as a demo, as that is a bike that I like. Love the black and green, far better than the 2021 matte black twins.

That link to AMCN has a lovely lead picture of a re imagined Ninja 1000. Reminds me of the ZX9R colours of around 1995. I had a red 94 one, great bike the 9R.

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I'm not sure what it's like now,but originally the z900 was built in Thaiwan. I think that's a non issue, but typically, the Thaiwan bikes sell for reasonable money as compared to he Japanese sourced. The RS was built in Japan. That is where some of the price difference was from/is from. I should say assembled. I believe most of the parts used are from China, no matter who builds it.

I know the se version was upgraded to the cheapest shock Ohlins has, but I'm with you. You can't call a motorcycle "premium" and use the shock like the Ninja 1000 has. I think the stock z900, all of them, use a similar shock.
 

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Anyway, someone will get a new bike at second hand prices.

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Rob.
Consignment sale has now ended with a very successful sale for me.
I listed it at $XX,XXX and got all the money asked, less the agreed small selling fee. 5 days on the Market.

The Buyer is rapt with the bike (and so he should be), got a NEW bike for a special lower price and I get the chance to buy again after the Christrmas Summer rains & Cyclone seasons finish (April here).
More 2022 bikes should be able to be seen by then or at least confirmed of their arrival dates.

The revamped 2022 Kawasaki Versys 650 now is in FULL 50 KW power FINALLY.
Was only offered as a 35KW Learner restricted LAMS/A2 last year, so I rejected it. Looks a more likely contender now over the much older V Stom 650.

If I don't post again by Saturday,
A Happy Christmas & Safe to EVERYBODY.

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Rob, the Suzuki v twin is older, but it has something about it that the versys 650 will never have.

It's not something that even has a word, or a number you can attach to it, but their small twin is an excellent motor. You should try one before scratching it off your list.....I know,because all the dealers are anxious to offer test rides...lol.
 

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Rob, the Suzuki v twin is older, but it has something about it that the versys 650 will never have.

It's not something that even has a word, or a number you can attach to it, but their small twin is an excellent motor. You should try one before scratching it off your list.....I know,because all the dealers are anxious to offer test rides...lol.
Yes RC, The motor in the SV650 that I am still running is an excellent motor, the bike itself is mini GSX-R. It really suits the tight twisty up and down mini mountain range I ride several days a week.
I did 'buy' a 2021 V Strom 650 a few months back, it came into the Shop, I took a photo of it, and was waiting a month to pass for the bike to be my birthday present in September.

At that stage the SV was also very tight in the motor having gone on road in April; so when I was asked IF I was prepared to allow the Shop to sell it to another person, I said yes as I was promised a white one from the December shipment.
That boat load has yet to dock to date as few Au Dealers have been shown by Suzuki AU has having stock. Good that they show the Public the Dealer held stock of all the models and who has what demo's as well. Of course, Suzuki Au has form for holding new stock in the Warehouse for their own reasons. My SV was held for 7 months according to the VIN plate attached to the bike.
By 2023 MY, I expect Suzuki to have dumped the V twin motor and released a new model with the parallel twin engine with a 270 firing order.

The DL650 VStrom, has only I neg point from me, it's the screen height. Same the last 21 model Versys 650, and CB500X.
Higher screens seem to difficult or impossible to source I found for my then 2017 DL1000. Here, Importers cite Covid, no shipping, no demand, all too hard, go away and don't ring us.
But my demo ride was pretty positive, enough for me to commit my cash.

Australia is not America, American Firms don't like to muck around with foreign Customs Duties and Taxes. It's always down in the fine print at the bottom of the web pages.

That the main reason why I like naked (standard) bikes - no windscreen drama's. The exception for me was the 21 Ninja 1000 - it was perfect in the lowest angled position and got more useless as more tilted up vertically.

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The revamped 2022 Kawasaki Versys 650 now is in FULL 50 KW power FINALLY.
Was only offered as a 35KW Learner restricted LAMS/A2 last year, so I rejected it. Looks a more likely contender now over the much older V Stom 650.
Reading the Kawasaki web page again today, it has a few misleading "errors," so I expect it is not 'full powered' but still LAMS Learner powered restricted I was speaking of above here in the prior post.
Like 40 KW rated the specs say; it's 35 legal for Lams/A2 and full power is 56 KW or close it that. The LAMS is called 650L, but they leave the L out on the bike description, so what is it ?
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I didn't know you had one, already. I'll bet Suzuki does just what you are saying. Im sure they will save money with the parallel twin .

I always liked small, naked bikes. Around town where you really didn't need the wind protection
 

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I didn't know you had one, already. I'll bet Suzuki does just what you are saying. Im sure they will save money with the parallel twin .

I always liked small, naked bikes. Around town where you really didn't need the wind protection
You think so? I really don't think any of the Japanese manufacturers will release a bike with a new gas motor ever again. Just reskins of existing bikes as they devote their energy to making electric bikes.
 

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That's a good point, too, but I think Suzuki needs a cheaper way to get there. A small, modern, parallel twin might do it ? Not better, but cheaper. Maybe even a 700cc.

The sv 650 is really supposed to be an sv400. It's was a big bore to get to 650cc and they won't have a level or reliability they are comfortable with if they punch it up to 700cc. They talked about it here, but who knows?

 
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