[kenors]

I'll be sticking with my DID ZVMX gold chains for now but I'm always watching for less maintenance/more mileage out of a chain. Any chainslapper without a centerstand is just a toy. I never even thought about chain/tire maintenance on long trips before the N1k. A few seconds on the stand, a shot of chain juice and good to go. Or, nail in the rear tire, up on the stand, fix it, on your way. It didn't matter how many days on the road or how far from civilization. Now a "maintenance free" chain is a must and hope like heck I don't pick up a flat far from help.
The idea I can take a 2k-3k mile trip works but if I took trips like a buddy of mine just did (30 days, 13k miles) it would have to be on a bike with a centerstand.

 

[Squidlius]

Basically this chain is the equivalent of the DID X-ring chain for more money. If you properly maintain a DID x-ring chain it'll go 30,000 miles although it's pretty shot by then. I got 32,000 miles out of one before I threw in the towel.

 

[rcannon409]

Im not saying it works, but no one else is offering this Dlc coating. Im sure they will, but that what you get for the extra hundred. An extra hundred might not do it if you had to buy it from bmw. We would have to play closer to 350.00 from a bmw dealer.

The description here is a little more reasonable than the BMW no maintenance claim.

Regina HPE 525 chain kit 120 chain links

The chain in this chain kit is nothing less than a revolution. So far it’s been like this: anyone riding a motorcycle with a chain as secondary drive was forced to clean, grease and re-tension O-ring chains. This innovative chain puts an end to this. With the new HPE Z-ring chain, all of the...

www.wunderlich.de

 

[Squidlius]

The weak link has always been the x-rings/o-rings. They are still made of rubber and still need to be kept clean and lubed so they don't disintegrate. Higher quality chains do stretch much less. I rarely have to adjust my DID x-ring chains.

 

[rcannon409]

That where you could see a difference, but you would still have to keep the chain clean.

Finger followers often times get this dlc. If friction wears o rings, this coating would help. If you didn't keep the o rings lubed, it would be just like the test the guy posted. If it did help, the sprockets would be better off and last longer.

I imagine it's just this high end , DID like chain and this friction reducing coating.

I'll have to see if my bmw dealer will work with me on one. I'm not ready for 375.00.

 

[Coyantino]

The chain is not easy to find here in the USA. BMW has it, but it's expensive. Maybe I'll contact your guy to get one? Is yours marked BMW?

I've never had the money to have many dlc coated items. I've had a few tools, and suspension parts that had it.

If you guys havent seen this, dlc is slick and wear resistant. Diamond Like Coating. Think like a very high quality chrome, but better, and gold colored. I think you can also see dlc in black or rainbow. Rock would want a rainbow chain. It's somewhere around 500 to have fork tunes coated, not including disassembly, so it's expensive.

This stuff, rubbing the chains o rings has to be a good idea?

This fascinates me because if the chain doesn't wear, the sprockets have to last longer, I guess? They about have to.

I hope you'll keep us advised on this. If it really lasts longer, it might just be worth the extra money.

I’ll try to add some pictures.
Mind you that if you order from an European site like Louis.eu which have good prices you will maybe have to pay custom’s duties. It happened to me when I ordered something in the US.
Cheers

 

[rcannon409]

Are you doing your own install? If so, what's the plan for the master link? Can you please show a pic, once it's complete? I do know I'm being semi crazy....

The reason I ask is because Regina has a chain rivet tool that's to die for, but it's expensive. It does a square pattern. I'm wondering if the normal, round rive tool will work. I have chain rivet tools, but I didn't spend enough to get the Regina tool.

If I end up in the porn industry, that will be my name. Regina Tool.

 

[kenors]

Can't wait for the pictures of this chain after 80k kilometers of unmaintained usage!

 

[rcannon409]

We are going clean these with Mermaid free Salt Water. I'll have one of these chains. I can feel it.

If the chain has less friction, I'm surprised we haven't seen the technology before. Off-road if the slick surface didn't let mud stick to it?

 

[Minlak]

We are going clean these with Mermaid free Salt Water. I'll have one of these chains. I can feel it.

If the chain has less friction, I'm surprised we haven't seen the technology before. Off-road if the slick surface didn't let mud stick to it?

These exist in the push bike / bicycling world DLC (Diamond Like Coating) the bicycle chain would be mmm around $160 aus compared to $30-40 aus for a "Normal Chain" - There is also a huge market in the bicycle world for lubrication that sees less of a loss in wattage - So companies spend a lot of money and time doing tests with different lubes to show which ones have the least amount of impact on the wattage.

 

[rcannon409]

I'll check into that. Thank you. I didn't think of bicycles, but I know those folks are insane about weight reduction and friction.

I'll bet the look is good, too. Look at it on the fork tubes and don't be looking at anything else and I hope that's a girl because that's a nice set of tubes.

 

[Coyantino]

Are you doing your own install? If so, what's the plan for the master link? Can you please show a pic, once it's complete? I do know I'm being semi crazy....

The reason I ask is because Regina has a chain rivet tool that's to die for, but it's expensive. It does a square pattern. I'm wondering if the normal, round rive tool will work. I have chain rivet tools, but I didn't spend enough to get the Regina tool.

If I end up in the porn industry, that will be my name. Regina Tool.

Funny!
I’m sorry to disappoint you, my future in the porn industry looks bleak, not very well endowed with hardware and somewhat clumsy when operating it…
I‘m counting on letting my local Kawa dealer deal with it (I’m lucky as he’s the nearest motorcycle dealer around and it’s just 2 km away). As I wrote earlier I was planning on doing it end of may, beginning of june, ahead of my trip to the Alps.
Cheers

 

[Coyantino]

I'll check into that. Thank you. I didn't think of bicycles, but I know those folks are insane about weight reduction and friction.

I'll bet the look is good, too. Look at it on the fork tubes and don't be looking at anything else and I hope that's a girl because that's a nice set of tubes. View attachment 33293

Nice set, indeed!!!

 

[rcannon409]

Do you guys remember the Motus brand motorcycles? If you looked through their literature, they talked about their rear sprocket. It had a lifetime warranty. It is a chicken vs egg discussion, I know, but does this mean anything? To be fair, they are out of business so they may not be the perfect place to draw inspiration from.

This is from their spec sheet. Doesn't it suggest the chain is going to wear sooner than the rear sprocket? I've never done this, but from what I see here, dropping the chain on the 20,000 mile used rear sprocket is ok?

"20,000 mile XW-ring chain by RK
Hybrid rear sprocket with lifetime warranty"

When I buys chains and sprockets, I always buy 2 fronts. Off-road, this made the pieces last longer.

 

[NinjaFrogg]

Nice set, indeed!!!

Can that cause a tank slapper?🐸

 

[rcannon409]

Who was it that mentioned bicycle chains? I was thinking we were over the top...lol. I had no idea....

 

[amolaver]

The "endurance" in endurance chain appears to be wildly overblown and not worth any significant price increase over other premium chain options..

BMW’s “maintenance-free” M Endurance chain put to the test - RevZilla

We put BMW's "no maintenance" M Endurance chain to the test and wear it out in just 12,000 miles.

www.revzilla.com

ahm

 

[rcannon409]

If you read through the test, the guy took the claim of "no maintenance" to heart, and didn't touch the chain for 12,000 miles.

That's not going to work, no matter what an advertisement says. Someone who wants that needs a shaft drive.

I think we hope that with regular maintenance, this might outlast the other premium chains. One guy has 25,000 miles on the one that's on his s1000xr and sounds pleased with it. If he can get to the 35-40k, that's will be a more reasonable test.

Maintenance Free Chain?

Hmmm, new invention from BMW. What about dirt and wear on rollers and sprockets? https://blog.motorcycle.com/2020/08/27/manufacturers/bmw/bmw-introduces-maintenance-free-m-endurance-chain/

www.s1000rrforum.com

 

[rcannon409]

You also have to be careful with people and product reviews. I remember a member here showing us how bad his stock Ninja 1000 chain was. His chain was terrible. It had some sort of mysterious red powder dropping from it, despite the fact that he lubricated and maintained the chain. We all started with this chain. It isn't amazing, but it doesn't drop red powder, just for fun.

I don't know if anyone said anything, but the chain wasn't the issue. He was. Whatever his maintenance procedure was, it wasn't working for him, and his conditions. It might work here in Utah. We have low humidity, very little rain, and no ocean breeze.

Still, in his mind, that's a failed product.

 

[Coyantino]

Do you guys remember the Motus brand motorcycles? If you looked through their literature, they talked about their rear sprocket. It had a lifetime warranty. It is a chicken vs egg discussion, I know, but does this mean anything? To be fair, they are out of business so they may not be the perfect place to draw inspiration from.

This is from their spec sheet. Doesn't it suggest the chain is going to wear sooner than the rear sprocket? I've never done this, but from what I see here, dropping the chain on the 20,000 mile used rear sprocket is ok?

"20,000 mile XW-ring chain by RK
Hybrid rear sprocket with lifetime warranty"

When I buys chains and sprockets, I always buy 2 fronts. Off-road, this made the pieces last longer.

I didn’t know them, had to look them up, very interesting and excentric, V4 with pushrods…
Looked a little bit like Guzzis made for touring, only that Guzzi opted for shaft drive…