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post #1 of 36 Old 10-21-2019, 04:08 PM Thread Starter
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I'm a casual rider that doesn't race or scrape pegs in the twisties. I weigh around 240lbs and ride solo. I don't want to spend money on upgrading the suspension unless I have to.

I have a 2015 I bought as a new leftover last year. The only thing I've done to the suspension is mess with the rear springload adjuster a little.

What settings would you recommend for the stock suspension for me? I'm a total newb at this this stuff so please try to put your suggestions in layman's terms that I can understand. TIA

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Find a reputable shop that can help you set the suspension sag with you on board. That's key. A friend can do it for you as well but you may need two friends to hold the bike up while you sit on it and someone measures the sag. From there, increase rebound damping on the rear and front until you find the right setting of comfort and control. It won't take you long to fine tune the damping. A little goes a long way when it comes to damping adjustments.

Personally for me, I weigh 185 with gear. I have the springs set at factory setting. Then I actually turned DOWN the damping a both F & R from stock setting by 1/4 turn. That's it. It still feels taut to me yet more compliant. I ride fast in the twisties, but I also ride a lot on less than perfect pavement so I want that compliance built in. The N1k suspension is already taut right out of the showroom so it's probably easier to make it too stiff than it is to make it compliant and still maintain control.
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Find a reputable shop that can help you set the suspension sag with you on board. That's key. A friend can do it for you as well but you may need two friends to hold the bike up while you sit on it and someone measures the sag. From there, increase rebound damping on the rear and front until you find the right setting of comfort and control. It won't take you long to fine tune the damping. A little goes a long way when it comes to damping adjustments.

Personally for me, I weigh 185 with gear. I have the springs set at factory setting. Then I actually turned DOWN the damping a both F & R from stock setting by 1/4 turn. That's it. It still feels taut to me yet more compliant. I ride fast in the twisties, but I also ride a lot on less than perfect pavement so I want that compliance built in. The N1k suspension is already taut right out of the showroom so it's probably easier to make it too stiff than it is to make it compliant and still maintain control.
Thanks. I will look for a good shop.

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Found a shop willing to do it but they're saying the only way I'd notice any real difference is if they completely rework the current shocks with new springs, etc. Said they'd hate for me to pay an hour or two of labor and not really notice any difference. Does that sound right to you? It doesn't have to be perfect for me.

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Found a shop willing to do it but they're saying the only way I'd notice any real difference is if they completely rework the current shocks with new springs, etc. Said they'd hate for me to pay an hour or two of labor and not really notice any difference. Does that sound right to you? It doesn't have to be perfect for me.
At 240lbs on a bike designed for a rider like 160-180lbs, they are not wrong. To get a good sag number you're going to have to run a lot of spring preload and that is going to make for a very harsh ride. Then you'll need to really add a lot of rebound damping, almost closing the circuit. If you upgrade the springs to get a good sag number, there definitely won't be enough rebound damping in the fork or shock to optimally control it.
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Found a shop willing to do it but they're saying the only way I'd notice any real difference is if they completely rework the current shocks with new springs, etc. Said they'd hate for me to pay an hour or two of labor and not really notice any difference. Does that sound right to you? It doesn't have to be perfect for me.

At 240lbs on a bike designed for a rider like 160-180lbs, they are not wrong. To get a good sag number you're going to have to run a lot of spring preload and that is going to make for a very harsh ride. Then you'll need to really add a lot of rebound damping, almost closing the circuit. If you upgrade the springs to get a good sag number, there definitely won't be enough rebound damping in the fork or shock to optimally control it.
Ok. They'll be getting me an estimate in the next day or two and we'll go from there. Thanks

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Just called Traxxion Dynamics and realized they're only about 160 miles away. They said we could schedule an appt and they could rework my stock suspension and have me done the same day. Will be calling Dan soon and getting estimates.

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Chowda, for less than ten bucks why not join Dave Moss Tuning for a month and watch his videos on topics such as yours? Dave is vastly experienced and he even does individual Remote Tuning sessions with his subscribers. He is not a racer or trackday-only guy, but helps street riders too. You may find that throwing more money at your motorcycle is unnecessary. I think you'd enjoy the process.
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Chowda, for less than ten bucks why not join Dave Moss Tuning for a month and watch his videos on topics such as yours? Dave is vastly experienced and he even does individual Remote Tuning sessions with his subscribers. He is not a racer or trackday-only guy, but helps street riders too. You may find that throwing more money at your motorcycle is unnecessary. I think you'd enjoy the process.
Rick this is great advice for someone within a reasonable weight range of the stock spring rate and damping. At 225lbs I got my bike as good as it well get, which is still not very good compared to bikes I've owned with a suspension sprung and valved for my weight.

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Would it be reasonable to send the rear to be reworked and adjust the fronts as-is possibly adding different fluid without having them resprung? Seems to me that the rear would take the majority of abuse due to my weight being over the rear shock and not leaned over the front suspension.

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