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post #1 of 67 Old 03-09-2020, 11:17 PM Thread Starter
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Another brake pad thread

Hey guys. Im pretty new here so forgive me as I know this question has been asked before but hasn't been touched on recently. I have a 2011 1000 that I bought this past summer from an older guy who put 10,000 km on it and put it away in a closet. Its literally like mint. After putting a few miles on it at the end of summer I discovered the rear brake issues it seems these bikes have. Before putting the bike away i cleaned and serviced the brakes and bled the lines with fresh fluid. I would like to change the pads and im hoping this will make a big improvement.

My thoughts are to go with the EBC HH sintered pads as they seem pretty popular and it seems most who try them really like them. They are much easier for me to get then galfers. Im just curious what you guys think about going HH double sintered vs say a semi sintered pad? Ive heard some saying its too much on the rear and others saying to go HH all the way around. I am aware that the HH pads are much stronger however some are saying they are too strong and make it easy to lock up the back while others are saying even with HH pads you still have to work hard to lock her up.

What do you guys think? Right now Im leaning towards HH front and rear and removing the spring as I hear this gives much better feed back? Ive been riding bikes for twenty years and I have never had a bike with ABS so I am pretty good with threshold braking. Locking the back isn't a huge concern unless the HH pads make it lock even with slight pressure which would make it unusable. Whats the Story on this?

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I think you will be fine with HH pads front and rear. I had used the EBC HH pads on a previous bike with no issues and they did perform better than stock. If you don't mind the price, Vesrah RJL are about as good as you can get for street use.

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post #3 of 67 Old 03-10-2020, 07:44 AM
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The Vesrah rjl are a better pad, but like Johnny said, it's more money.

For the money, this Vesrah CT pad is tough to beat. It might be an extra 20.00 vs ebc, but is a far better pad. They are more quiet, and leave less dust behind. I've been using these on my concours 14, and the feel is excellent. It's a good step up from either stock or ebc, for not that much more money. If you try these, I think your ebc days will be over.

On a 2011, you will be surprised at how well these perform vs stock. The stock 2011-13 pads were pretty weak and mild in comparison.
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post #4 of 67 Old 03-10-2020, 08:21 AM
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For the back brakes, I liked this pad. It was better than ebc, galfer, or the three other pads I tried. If you search ebay for "VD434-jl" you can find them for around 30.00, or just order from here. I ended up replacign my caliper, but if I had to leave it stock, this is the pad I would use.
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Hey guys thank you for the advice. Its appreciated. So I would love the versa pads but two problems. They aren't readily available here in Canada at least on line and my god the price is nearly double that of the ebc when you factor in duties and shipping. The fronts alone are over 200 dollars. It is my understanding that the Vserah RJI pads are roughly the equivalent of the The EBC HH which are 131 for an entire set front and back. Now Im not one to be cheap and I trust the opinion that the Vesrah pads are better then the EBC pads BUT how much better is the question. It likely subjective but I would be doubtful they are 200 dollars better if you know what I mean. I just cant justify that when the EBC HH pads are know to be a very very good pad with a lot of stopping power that will bring me a much better performance over stock. over 300 dollars for a set shipped to my door is just too big of a pill to swallow. Unless anyone here knows where I can get them in Canada for a more reasonable price?
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I love my Vesrah pads on my 2012. Quiet, clean, strong, great feedback.
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I've got a wide selection of FRONT brake pads (EBC, Vesrah, etc. , all around 75% pad or more) I'll make you a deal on. Then you can test and review at your pleasure.......... ;-)
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I am a huge fan of the Carbon Lorraine pads, now called CL. Their street pads are just as good as Vesra street pads (IMHO) and their race pads are almost as good. I run CL street on my GF's Ninja 1000 and also have them on my GSXR1000 which I have 2015+ CBR1000RR calipers on. The CBR calipers are essentially the same Tokiko calipers as the N1K calipers. I have ran the CL race pads on my track bike, but upgraded those calipers so I have to run Brembo Z04 in those.

I have three problems with EBC HH pads. They are messy, tear up rotors quickly and the pads warp if you push the brakes hard. CL is around the same price as EBC and much better overall.

I am pretty sure the CL pad part numbers are:
1183 front
2381 rear
Please confirm the part numbers. They cost ~$200 a set. Spiegler carries them.

Just make sure to clean the old pad material off your rotors before running new ones and bed them properly. I use scotchbrite pads on a DA to clean my rotors.
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Ok so In researching the EBC HH pads I found this on their website. Its seems they have update the pad material to be easier on the rotors and eliminate noise.

"We took out several other particles which our competitors still use which caused massive disc damage and created our launch material. After five years and millions of sets sold we upgraded the formulation again to our SB101C material which completely eliminated BRAKE NOISE, improved the pads HEAT CYCLING CAPABILITY and improved feel. What we have today for the faster rider is the pinnacle of sintered copper alloy engineering, researched and tested in our own laboratories by engineers with over 50 years experience in sintered pad technology."

I am going to take a look into the CL pads that 57x mentioned. I have heard good things about Carbon Lorraine in past but haven't done any research on them. Perhaps they are the middle ground between the Vesrah pads and the EBC pads. What scares me most about the EBC pads is the claims of excessive rotor wear. I want to upgrade the stopping power of the bike but I dont want to destroy my rotors in a season or two doing so.
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The "update" happened a long time ago. It's not new by any means, and it did not make them a quality pad. You dont have to buy Vesrah. I'm plan on trying some cl pads, eventually, just never anything from ebc, ever.

I would choose Galfer before ebc if that's all that was available. Rear pads last a long time. Meaning, if you buy junk, you have to work with junk for a long time. How cheap are they when they damage your rotors, or you end up buying two sets because the backing plate warps?

Even if you do have to pay more, its worth buying something with better quality.

Search ebay canada for vesrah pads for the zx10. We use the same part numbers for our bike and the same pads. That would be for the 2008-2015 zx10. NOT the later bikes.

The vesrah pads there are not the high end rjl, but they are still better than ebc hh

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