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post #11 of 55 Old 08-17-2018, 04:45 PM
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Our 2011-2013 bikes have the older style, 2 piece caliper. It's a not a bad caliper at all. The stock pads in it are terrible.

The oem Kawasaki branded Tokiko calipers are usually pretty cheap, on eBay. Bikram, thats whats tough when you hit the end of the line.

Not a bad problem to have,I suppose, but your cost to upgrade are now more $$$$ than $$$.

I have the gsxr brembos. They work ok. Good thing for you, Bikram, is their piston size matches up really well with your 18x19 master cylinder.

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post #12 of 55 Old 08-17-2018, 05:14 PM
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Bikram, I did not mention what probably is the best caliper.

The zx14 caliper is a copy of a Moto go caliper. It uses 4 pads, per caliper, and is an amazing brake caliper. You would need new lines, and odds are some 2 or 3mm spacers. They are a massive step up from what we've mentioned, so far.

The drawback, on this caliper, is it's pad costs. The pads all cost 2x what they would for other 2 pad calipers. That , and the weight. I sort of kick my own ass for not going that way. I spent a lot of money on rotors and calipers to basically match what my stock concours 14 was furnished with.

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Bikram, I did not mention what probably is the best caliper.

The zx14 caliper is a copy of a Moto go caliper. It uses 4 pads, per caliper, and is an amazing brake caliper. You would need new lines, and odds are some 2 or 3mm spacers. They are a massive step up from what we've mentioned, so far.

The drawback, on this caliper, is it's pad costs. The pads all cost 2x what they would for other 2 pad calipers. That , and the weight. I sort of kick my own ass for not going that way. I spent a lot of money on rotors and calipers to basically match what my stock concours 14 was furnished with.
@rcannon409, I also tested those Nissin 4-pad monoblock calipers when I tested the GSXR Brembo's and the Honda/Tokiko monoblock's. Kawasaki also ran those calipers on the 2009-12 ZX6R. The only advantage I found with them was more initial bite. I don't like a lot if initial bite on a street bike as there are things that happen that need the ability to emergency stop that you just don't find on the track. I am willing to take a hit on initial bite, to lower the risk of a low side. After the initial bite of the Nissin 4-pad calipers, I found the power and modulation to be the roughly same as the monoblock Tokiko's. There is a lot more to a caliper than the number of pads. My GP4-RR calipers are only two pad calipers, and have almost more initial bite than I can handle, even on the track, and the power/modulation is just nuts. I will say also though, that the Galfer GP brake lines I use with the GP4-RR calipers help a ton with power and modulation. The line runs straight in to the caliper instead of having to roll around through a banjo bolt.

@Bikram, I am running the Carbon Lorraine Street pads. If you ordered Vesrah, stay with them. They are quite similar and you are already on your way. You will be happy. It is a Ford/Chevy thing, and it just so happens that a bike speed shop carries CL Brakes, so it is easy for me. For the track I run Carbon Lorraine Race pads for a lot more additional bite. I have to run Brembo pads on my GP4-RR calipers as that is all there is available. There is no desire to change them as they are fantastic, but also fantastically expensive ...........
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post #14 of 55 Old 08-17-2018, 08:29 PM
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57x, I agree. Bikram said he likes that initial bite, so that zx6/14 caliper might be a good option . That's the other part. If you paid 150.00 for a set, your not trying hard enough.

It's a fun project for a bike in how there are so many decent parts we have access to. If you don't mind digging through eBay, you don't even have to spend much.

Another nice caliper, and the one I'd choose, is the caliper from the newer (2012-2017) zx 636 bike. But, not the 600 asmit has the older calipers. It's a Nissin monoblock. I believe it has 32mm pistons so it would match your master cylinder.

Thats the problem with what you have now. The Kawasaki monoblock use a 30mm piston. That's fine, but that needs a 17mm master cylinder. Your 19 needs to run a caliper with larger pistons.

Very light, and strong. All else being equal, I'd rather have a Nissin branded caliper than Tokiko. I don't know if performance is much different, but the quality level you see is much better, with Nissin.. The machining looks better finished, and the pistons appear to be higher quality.

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Bikram, I have used stock-sized Brembo SuperSport full floaters on several other bikes, always replacing Brembo OE rotors. Each time, braking modulation improved without any new complications. Perhaps I've heard them make the odd rattle but nothing bothersome or chronic. I didn't know Brembo had a 300mm SuperSport rotor available, if so that's good news!
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Bikram, I did not mention what probably is the best caliper.

The zx14 caliper is a copy of a Moto go caliper. It uses 4 pads, per caliper, and is an amazing brake caliper. You would need new lines, and odds are some 2 or 3mm spacers. They are a massive step up from what we've mentioned, so far.

The drawback, on this caliper, is it's pad costs. The pads all cost 2x what they would for other 2 pad calipers. That , and the weight. I sort of kick my own ass for not going that way. I spent a lot of money on rotors and calipers to basically match what my stock concours 14 was furnished with.
RC, like you said, the weight would be a penalty. It would add to unsprung mass, something I have managed to reduce significantly by investing heavily in carbon fibre wheels. I love the flickability too much to mess with that.

You're absolutely right that with the 19RCS Corsa Corta I will need calipers with bigger pistons.

@57x - you're right, the GP4-RR are steeply priced! Given what you gentlemen are saying, it seems that I'll be best served with the Brembo M4 calipers given the brake system set-up I already have... however, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Brembo recommend against using these calipers with an OE ABS equipped brake system?

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Bikram, I have used stock-sized Brembo SuperSport full floaters on several other bikes, always replacing Brembo OE rotors. Each time, braking modulation improved without any new complications. Perhaps I've heard them make the odd rattle but nothing bothersome or chronic. I didn't know Brembo had a 300mm SuperSport rotor available, if so that's good news!
Ricki, Brembo has the SuperSport in 300mm, that's confirmed! There are plenty of sites selling it in this size. Thank you for your feedback on these not rattling in any significant measure. How about on patched-up road surface? They won't/don't rattle on poor surfaces?

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RC, like you said, the weight would be a penalty. It would add to unsprung mass, something I have managed to reduce significantly by investing heavily in carbon fibre wheels. I love the flickability too much to mess with that.

You're absolutely right that with the 19RCS Corsa Corta I will need calipers with bigger pistons.

@57x - you're right, the GP4-RR are steeply priced! Given what you gentlemen are saying, it seems that I'll be best served with the Brembo M4 calipers given the brake system set-up I already have... however, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Brembo recommend against using these calipers with an OE ABS equipped brake system?
Also, I have HEL steel-braided lines on my bike. I'm not sure if these will be compatible with the Brembo calipers...? I'm under the impression that one needs custom-made brake lines when you go in for after-market calipers. I could be mistaken...

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Unless a company could test their caliper, with an abs system, the smart move would be to tell people "No..hell no" and I think changing tire size throws it off, too.

I did see that on Carpimoto, and whomever answers questions there backs you up on the "No abs" instal.

Even if you stay with the stock calipers, they are not horrible by an means. There were plenty of ninja 650's using them on The Isle of Man races.

The rcs19 you have now, real y is too large. The 17 is better with your current calipers.

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Please forgive my lack of knowledge. Steel braided lines make that big of a difference? I think I need to start studying up, or I can just bother the smart people.
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