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post #1 of 58 Old 07-30-2018, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
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Any idiot can crack a throttle...

...but how about dragging the toes of their boots in the twisties?????
A guy on a super-hot 200+mph GSXR 1000 was right with me and he said my side bags were about six inches off the ground! It was SO COOL!!!!!! I don't need to do that again!!!!!!!
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post #2 of 58 Old 07-30-2018, 07:21 PM
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Hey Bazz, I thought that stuff was for the track?????

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Yea bazz what kind of example are you trying to set, lol thats some cool stuff, but keep the paint on the side bags

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Its always amazed me how twisted this sort of thinking has become. As if dragging things equals speed.

There's a big difference when a moto go rider drags his elbow, on Moto gp tires, than when one of us does around a war mart parking lot.

One rider really needs the lean angle to deal with his speed, the other would get passed by a fast rider since he's just he'll bent on dragging things, and using up his tire.

There is also a brain and comment sessempart to this. One rider is on a priceless custom tire that will be 100% worn out, in 82 miles. The other is on tries we buy at our local stores.

If a person needed proof, watch some of the Isle Of Man racing. Those guys are the world's fastest street riders and use as little lean angle as possible.

It's become much like guys who can wheelie a 1/4 mile. A great stunt, but a measure of nothing.
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Its always amazed me how twisted this sort of thinking has become. As if dragging things equals speed.

There's a big difference when a moto go rider drags his elbow, on Moto gp tires, than when one of us does around a war mart parking lot.

One rider really needs the lean angle to deal with his speed, the other would get passed by a fast rider since he's just he'll bent on dragging things, and using up his tire.

There is also a brain and comment sessempart to this. One rider is on a priceless custom tire that will be 100% worn out, in 82 miles. The other is on tries we buy at our local stores.

If a person needed proof, watch some of the Isle Of Man racing. Those guys are the world's fastest street riders and use as little lean angle as possible.

It's become much like guys who can wheelie a 1/4 mile. A great stunt, but a measure of nothing.

Fair enough. IIRC, it was a 25mph, maybe 30mph, posted twisty section. But I wasn't going track speed. Nowhere near it. But fast enough that I had to lean my body (not my bike) far enough to make the curves, that I dragged my boots. I didn't drag any bike parts. I see it as a milestone that my skill set has improved so much that I can do that safely (not that I want to make a habit of it), as well as a testament to how great the N1K handles on a set of Q3+s. As a matter of fact, the other guy that was riding with us had a brand new Triumph sport bike and he said that as soon as the stock tires are shot, he's getting Q3+'s.

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Id say your foot positioning on the pegs is wrong. And dangerous. You can easily have a bone-crunching recoil if youre dragging your toes.
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Id say your foot positioning on the pegs is wrong. And dangerous. You can easily have a bone-crunching recoil if youre dragging your toes.


Good point, thanks. I'll pay closer attention to that. I'm pretty sure I had the balls of my feet on the pegs, but the toe of my boot hangs over the front (even with my midget feet). But the pegs mounts are jointed to help mitigate that, too, right? I dragged a peg on my NT700V once (but not my boot) and it moved as designed. That was before I learned the whole body lean thing. I hit a corner I took almost daily near my old house harder than usual. Got my attention, that's for sure!!

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There is also a brain and comment sessempart to this. One rider is on a priceless custom tire that will be 100% worn out, in 82 miles. The other is on tries we buy at our local stores.

If a person needed proof, watch some of the Isle Of Man racing. Those guys are the world's fastest street riders and use as little lean angle as possible.

It's become much like guys who can wheelie a 1/4 mile. A great stunt, but a measure of nothing.

In the same vein, we praise bicycle racers for the amazing things they do in a racing environment on bicycles that weigh ounces. I suppose it's tooting my own horn, but I always thought it was a greater feat to tow my toddler in a kid trailer full of toys, diaper bag, etc behind a 45-pound recumbent trike for 40 miles in and around a city.


Yes, we can certainly apply some racing techniques (perhaps modified, i.e. leaning in hard but not dragging knees and elbows) to the street. But I think the fact that we can hone our skills to do amazing things on the street within safe and (reasonably compliant) legal limits in our daily riding is pretty cool. Yeah, I wanna do a track day to learn stuff and see how fast I can push the silly thing, but I think conquering the real world is of more value.

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See Baz, that bug... when it bites is a sure enough make you want more of it one isn't it?

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I broke my ankle many years ago. Since then I do not have the range of motion like my other foot. When I was a roadracer I constantly dragged my toe because I couldn't get it up and out of the way. I would see picks of me with my toe smoking at full lean! I also would go through a couple pair of expensive boots a season. For me it was like a curb feeler, the first thing to touch down. And yes, it can lead to you jamming your foot pretty good. Try putting it in more towards the frame in turn and then back out after. You'll save money on boots.

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