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08-10-2019 02:17 PM
cooldaddygroove Figured I would bump this thread and update you on my final results.


While the Audio Technica Active Noise Cancelling headphones appear to work, they don't work well enough. While riding, you can definitely feel the difference turning the noise cancelling on and off, and with the right foam or flange tips on them, they do seal. As soon as I swapped to my $400 Custom molded Dual Driver In Ear Monitors there was a significant improvement in noise reduction.



My testing consisted of riding from Vancouver BC to Grangeville Idaho last week, about 1200kms and with cruising speeds in the 90-110mph range, so not your typical test environment for most riders.



Most quiet and most comfortable still go the the Custom IEM's.


A close second, and I mean really close were the $35 PlugFone Guardians. I found using the extra long "Pro" foam tips from Comply offered the best results, but, after 4-5 hours on the bike I would start to feel discomfort, and even a little pain in one ear canal. Neither of them would fall out or dislodge in any way putting on or removing my tight fitting RF1200. A three pack of comply foam costs about $20, so call the PlugFones setup a $60 solution. A far cry from $400, but I get all day 12 hour comfort with the IEM's.
07-24-2019 10:51 PM
cooldaddygroove So this week, I moved my Cardo Scala Bold and my receiver for my heads up display (radar) to the center of the back of my helmet, remade the speaker cutout clip-in covers by removing the cheap large cell foam "cookie" with some high density foam that I cut (hack job), and going for an overnight tomorrow to text out some Active Noise Cancelling headphones from Audio Technica. All this in the goal of riding quieter.



https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Which has a form factor that doesn't stick out like the Bose QC20's. Reviews were good...........


So far the winning ear bud is the Plugfone Guardian. Super tiny (all anyone sees is cables going in to your ears), excellent sound and big base. Much better than the ISOTunes. The Isotunes are all metal which makes them more solid than the Plugfones, but for the price, I just bought an extra as a backup.


Navigating the matrix of Comply's various models, sizes, and post sizes, was the time suck. Most of the headphones I try have different post sizes, so a flange tip, or a foam tip doesn't transfer from one .......bla bla......you get it.


Update in 1000 miles


Oh........riding buddy who is also nerding out on this shit, bought two $30 mini Bluetooth combo receiver/transmetters........one on his detector, one velcroed to the back of his helmet, connect to the stock Cardo speakers, then runs Plugfones in to his Cardo, or just straight foamies. . He can EASILY hear the voice alerts. Even I can faintly hear them through the cardo , while riding the bike. Quite the setup.
07-19-2019 09:43 PM
JGN1K Good stuff, I'll try this, thanks.
07-19-2019 03:13 PM
cooldaddygroove
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Originally Posted by Chrispy View Post
Some people say wearing a headband or skullcap helps keep earbuds in place when putting on or taking off a helmet.

https://www.amazon.com/Halo-Headband.../dp/B00SGS7K74

Yeah, I bought a couple of these off Amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


They certainly help, plus you look like an astronaut
07-19-2019 01:42 PM
Chrispy Some people say wearing a headband or skullcap helps keep earbuds in place when putting on or taking off a helmet.

https://www.amazon.com/Halo-Headband.../dp/B00SGS7K74
07-19-2019 06:47 AM
JGN1K I use the shure 215 Bluetooth version while riding but I don't use them for comms, only for music or sound isolation. I use them for ear plugs even when I don't want to listen to music.
It took some practice getting the helmet on without shifting the plugs. I definitely use my index fingers to shield the plugs while donning the helmet.
I also owned Taotronics but they stuck out too far so I couldn't get good at these with practice.
I've since added a second set of Shure bt to either be used by the wife or serve as a spare because I've depleted the battery a few times (a good 6+ hours of riding).
07-19-2019 01:39 AM
exyamaha I use Sena 10S and plug in Shure 215 earbuds for high speed or long rides. The Shure 215's are low profile and offer great fidelity. Can carry on a phone call at 80 mph and people on the other end don't know I'm on a bike. Radar signal is converted to a wired remote LED visual display. The remote LED sits in my line of site, so no loss of warning and no dealing with BT.
07-18-2019 01:45 PM
cooldaddygroove So this has been a daily project for the past two weeks, and I exhausted/abandoned the speaker/amp earplug route as it just seemed like I was just trying to achieve the loudest audio combined with the quietest ear protection. Kind of a rabbit hole so to speak, and seems counter intuitive. I've read every review online and I have to say the vast majority of rider feedback is based on "city riding". I don't ride city, and I don't ride slow. My goal is (1) all day comfort (2) solid hearing protection (3) music/comms at ANY speed, and (4) zero issues with putting on or removing my helmet.


You know whats funny? Is watching some guy reviewing ear buds and demonstrating how they stay in place when they take their helmet off. Take a look at his helmet, it's sloppy as f*ck. Wear a proper fitting helmet and then do your review.


So for the past week I have been evaluating and testing various ear buds. The list is long. I have a bag of flange tips and Comply foam tips in various sizes so I can test then return the ones that don't work.



Shure SE215 - highly rated by riders, best sound of anything I have tried, but rip your ears apart removing helmet (Ear Rippers)
MEE M6 Pro - highly rated by riders, do not sound as good as the Shure's, Ear Rippers
TaoTronics Active Noise Canncelling earbuds, Destroyed my ears. King of Ear Rippers
ISOTunes - best solution so far, small enough that they don't rip out of your ears, but on the 1 hour test ride using Comply foam tips, my ear canals started to get sore. I can't imagine a 12 hour 500mile day on them. Put flange tips on them, waering them now for a couple hours typing this to see if they are any more comfortable
PLUGFones - I bought a pair last month, and they came apart the first time I tried changing the tips. Bought another pair to test (just because)
Bose QC20 - Probably the best technology out there, and while I was ready to pull the trigger and spend $300 on them, the TaoTronics ANC earbuds I tried have the same form factor, and I imagine they will be Ear Rippers as well.
07-18-2019 01:27 PM
cooldaddygroove
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Originally Posted by drumbum View Post
If you stick with the cardos you can use any headphones you want. They have the 3.5mm jack for the speakers. You can disassemble the headphones and take out the drivers, mount them in your helmet. You can even use the "riser" velcro pieces that came with the cardos, and attach it to the back of the drivers, easy. Or of course any in ear headphones work just as well, plug it in and go.

Tried pretty much every aftermarket speaker out there, they are all garbage in terms of volume and fidelity, even the JBL's.


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As much as I love technology sometimes there are other solutions. Someone else suggested adjusting the placement of the speakers. This makes a HUGE difference. If you just stick them somewhere in the recesses of your helmet I can almost guarantee you won't hear anything, mine are partially on the helmet straps. Put on your helmet in the comfort of your home and listen to some music, no earplugs, no gloves no bike. You can really get a good idea of placement that way.

Been there, done that...........thanks


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I use some "music" earplugs by puaroom hopefully this link works (last time I put a link in a post moderators immediately deleted my post *shrugs*) https://www.amazon.com/PUAroom-Percu...gateway&sr=8-1 before that I was using trimmed down "hearos for musicians" The sound of music earplugs is much better than foam earplugs and without the extra uncomfortable pressure

Yup, tried a few of those too and compared with foamies. Any hearing company will tell you that foamies offer superior NRR (if inserted properly, which most have no clue how to do). Even the company that makes my $400 custom molded dual driver in ear monitors confirms that $1 foamies will offer greater NRR than anything else, especially in a motorcycle helmet. Etymotic engineers say the same thing. Foamies are THE most comfortable, period. When wearing a helmet, your jaw etc is moving, and anything other than foam will flex and open up a gap that allows noise to get in. I have been testing various foamies by sleeping in them, and they are painless.

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Originally Posted by drumbum View Post
As for combining multiple audio sources.... I would look for a headphone->Bluetooth converter (preferably ones with controls for audio skip/pause/volume/etc because the controls on your helmet wont work). Then get 4 connector TRRS splitter and one end goes to your phone (must be 4 connector to work with your phone controls), then everything else can use standard stereo TRS splitters. Not a pretty solution, but it could work. although, making your own bluetooth repeater/hub sounds like a fun project... haha

Been there, tried that, and by 4 connector you actually mean "4 Pole". Problem with this kind of setup is there is no rider to rider comms
07-17-2019 07:35 PM
drumbum If you stick with the cardos you can use any headphones you want. They have the 3.5mm jack for the speakers. You can disassemble the headphones and take out the drivers, mount them in your helmet. You can even use the "riser" velcro pieces that came with the cardos, and attach it to the back of the drivers, easy. Or of course any in ear headphones work just as well, plug it in and go.

As much as I love technology sometimes there are other solutions. Someone else suggested adjusting the placement of the speakers. This makes a HUGE difference. If you just stick them somewhere in the recesses of your helmet I can almost guarantee you won't hear anything, mine are partially on the helmet straps. Put on your helmet in the comfort of your home and listen to some music, no earplugs, no gloves no bike. You can really get a good idea of placement that way.

I use some "music" earplugs by puaroom hopefully this link works (last time I put a link in a post moderators immediately deleted my post *shrugs*) https://www.amazon.com/PUAroom-Percu...gateway&sr=8-1 before that I was using trimmed down "hearos for musicians" The sound of music earplugs is much better than foam earplugs and without the extra uncomfortable pressure

As for combining multiple audio sources.... I would look for a headphone->Bluetooth converter (preferably ones with controls for audio skip/pause/volume/etc because the controls on your helmet wont work). Then get 4 connector TRRS splitter and one end goes to your phone (must be 4 connector to work with your phone controls), then everything else can use standard stereo TRS splitters. Not a pretty solution, but it could work. although, making your own bluetooth repeater/hub sounds like a fun project... haha
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