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09-02-2019 10:36 PM
rcannon409 I wish I could correct that, yes, I think we have the same caliper, or similar. My 32mm and 34mm brembo have the 2 pistons.

I had that single, ninja caliper on my mind and was thinking how can that possibly work with the master cylinders we have.

The c14 has a decent, 2 piston caliper, but its pistons are larger than desirable. I cant remember what they are, but it's a 14mm master, too. It even has a bleeder on the inside piston for a total of 2 bleeders.
09-02-2019 11:35 AM
57x
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One of us needs to order this....https://japan.webike.net/products/22761375.html
I'm running a Discacciati thumb brake on my 07 GSXR750 track bike. I got a Discacciati 4-piston rear caliper to go with it. The Discacciati thumb master is 14mm, and has fantastic modulation, although quite a bit if travel with a 4-piston caliper.

I suck at being able to slide my foot forward quickly enough to grab the rear brake if I corner exit too hard and end up in an out of control wheelie, so the thumb brake is a great solution.

Who knows, I may eventually try the Gale Speed 12mm master cylinder for my street bike.
09-02-2019 11:25 AM
57x I don't understand RC. The Brembo I'm using from the H2 is a twin opposing piston caliper. Do you have something different?

And yes, the OEM header for the 11-15 ZX10R is titanium. It has a steel bracket to brace the four primary tubes that I cut off. I figured that brace was there to help support the heavy cat, which I am not running.
09-02-2019 08:57 AM
rcannon409 I think 57x also said the zx10 header is titanium, so it's seriously cool. Ti anything is cool, unless its handcuffs.

So, even on a performance oriented bike the rear master is still sized as if.....??? I do think the 1/2 modulated better, but it's not THAT much better, but its good.

I searched for the perfect rear master cylinder. I found brembo had 13 and 14mm. Galespeed had a real 12.0mm...so, what we have access to, on the cheap, is pretty normal sized. The calipers are way off. Brembo only makes a 32 and a 34. Those are single piston. My c14 uses a 14 master, but its rear caliper has two, pistons. One on each side. You have to bleed both. I dont remember their sizes...30ish? They are large. Vesrah pads helped it, but that took it from shitty up to horrible. No feel...no feel....locked.....abs.

If our sizing works, and it does, there's no possible way the c14 could, is there?

One of us needs to order this....https://japan.webike.net/products/22761375.html
09-01-2019 07:17 PM
57x Nope. Generic 14 marking with no brand, so same same. Kawasaki has known this for years. The Kit master on the 1995 Muzzy ZX7Rs are Nissin 1/2 stamped. Sad. I'll try one of those 1/2" next. I don't want power, but modulation. The stock SX caliper is a sliding caliper with dual pistons one one side that are 27mm each. It was like stepping on a block of wood.
09-01-2019 05:44 PM
rcannon409 Your bike probably has the good quality one marked Nissin? Our ninja has a generic 14mm.

14/32 was not bad. Very solid and powerful. I would have stayed with that, but I noticed the 2010 zx10 had a 1/2" rear master. It was 7.99, shipped, so I had to try it. That's where I left it. The 1/2 (12.7mm) had a little more feel, at low speed, but not quite as much power. Not worth changing if it cost a lot, but for 7.99, I'm all in, and it was a small improvement.

What I dont understand ......With what we've experienced with known, good combinations, why did Kawasaki send the stock Ninja 1000 with 14mm/38mm? No wonder it had no power, or feel.

It was so far off, I really thought I'd mess something up by dropping down to a 32 or 34.
09-01-2019 04:22 PM
57x
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57x, im glad its decent. What model did you buy? I had to buy both the 32 and 34 to find out what I liked. I think mine were called "P4". A guy on the z1000 forum bought the "hp" It is beautiful, and he says its awesome.

The 34mm was soft, had no feel, and was easy to lock up. Even with different rear master cylinders ( 14mm and 1/2") it never became even semi good.

The rear master cylinder sizing surprised me. Obviously, Japanese motorcycles are all metric, but the rear master cylinder with 1/2 inch sizing, is still fairly common. I wonder why they used this 1/2" when that size is so close to a 13? I think 1/2" is 12.7mm...very close, but that .3 mm must be a big deal?
Interesting. The H2 SX SE comes with a rear master marked 14. I'm guessing 14mm. Bigger is not always better in master cylinders for good modulation.
09-01-2019 11:40 AM
57x
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57x is that zx-10r header your talking about the one that comes factory on the Zx-10, and it fits the H2.
A 2011-15 ZX10R OEM header fits great on the H2 SX, once you add a 5mm spacers between the flange and the clamp at each port. I used a cat delete mid for the same bike from Delkavic and had a Akrapovic can from a Tuono Factory I parted out that had a blown engine.

The H2 and H2R have a unique oval exhaust port, so nothing fits that except aftermarket.
08-31-2019 12:51 PM
Mark59 57x is that zx-10r header your talking about the one that comes factory on the Zx-10, and it fits the H2.
08-31-2019 12:10 PM
57x
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57x, im glad its decent. What model did you buy? I had to buy both the 32 and 34 to find out what I liked. I think mine were called "P4". A guy on the z1000 forum bought the "hp" It is beautiful, and he says its awesome.

The 34mm was soft, had no feel, and was easy to lock up. Even with different rear master cylinders ( 14mm and 1/2") it never became even semi good.

The rear master cylinder sizing surprised me. Obviously, Japanese motorcycles are all metric, but the rear master cylinder with 1/2 inch sizing, is still fairly common. I wonder why they used this 1/2" when that size is so close to a 13? I think 1/2" is 12.7mm...very close, but that .3 mm must be a big deal?
This is the H2 OEM caliper, so I'm not sure the model. I'll measure it when I swap the exciter ring.
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