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post #11 of 20 Old 05-09-2019, 07:36 PM
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It's nice that is has a fancy name now. Back then it was just a basic skill you must have especially modulating the brakes.
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I do, I do, I do, I do!!! Trail braking, like the old timers pointed out, is something we have been doing instinctively all these years. I swear by it, trailing/dragging the front brake into the turn and releasing it completely once you've apexed the turn. It shortens the wheelbase of the bike (as beautifully illustrated in the video) and also increases the contact patch between the road and the front tyre rubber. The shorter wheelbase makes the bike more agile/easier to turn while the greater contact patch gives greater grip. In addition to trailing the front brake into a turn, as RC and 57x mentioned, I occasionally use the rear brake (light application, more like a light drag) to stabilise the bike or to prevent understeer if I have gone slightly hot into the turn. The rear brake application has to be like a light drag, never a panic compression of the lever.

And yes, getting your braking right when you're (a nod to Burtcaster here :0 ) leaned over is just so much fun!!

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I do for all the same reasons
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It sounds like there are several of us who figured this out more so than ever learning about it? My very first motorcycle was the best and fastest Kawasaki thats ever been made. Screw the H2r, Im talking about their short lived Coyote Mini bike. This machine had front "suspension", but the rear was left to you. It did not offer handling....you just rode it around. The photo shows a front brake, but I dont think I ever used it. At that point, my best riding instruction was from the neighbor. If you even so much as looked at the front brake lever the bike would flip over and you would be dead.

The first "real" bike was the Yamaha gt 80. By then we met a friend who did know how to ride. He insisted we use the front brake at each and every stop. I do remember washing the front end out, in soft dirt, but that was the bike that taught me how to use a front brake.
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It sounds like there are several of us who figured this out more so than ever learning about it? My very first motorcycle was the best and fastest Kawasaki thats ever been made. Screw the H2r, Im talking about their short lived Coyote Mini bike. This machine had front "suspension", but the rear was left to you. It did not offer handling....you just rode it around. The photo shows a front brake, but I dont think I ever used it. At that point, my best riding instruction was from the neighbor. If you even so much as looked at the front brake lever the bike would flip over and you would be dead.

The first "real" bike was the Yamaha gt 80. By then we met a friend who did know how to ride. He insisted we use the front brake at each and every stop. I do remember washing the front end out, in soft dirt, but that was the bike that taught me how to use a front brake.
I never knew Kawasaki made anything like that. When I was a kid, some neighbors started the trend in our neighborhood by getting the mini bikes like that, but they had briggs & stratton lawnmower engines and you bought them at Western Auto. My dad decided to get us a quality bike so my brother and I saved a few $ and my dad got us a Honda 50 trail bike. Of course we had a neighbor that always had to outdo everyone so he went and got his son, my friend, a Kawasaki 75. In addition to the additional 25cc it was a 2 cycle so it would leave my Honda 50 in the dust.
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Kawasaki 75. In addition to the additional 25cc it was a 2 cycle so it would leave my Honda 50 in the dust.
That rear suspension is high tech now let me tell you. Wish my Fox would have had it
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That rear suspension is high tech now let me tell you. Wish my Fox would have had it
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The fact it even had a rear suspension was special back then. My Honda 50 did not and it was not fun even over grass clumps.

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The Kawasaki coyote was a Briggs copy, made in Japan...no shit. Mini bikes were everywhere, like you guys are talking about. I went from the coyote, to the fox like Advintage had. The Rupp "Black Widow" was next.

Braking , back then, was different, too. You would never have needed abs. Unless you were on soft dirt, I dont believe the brakes were powerful enough to lock a wheel. There was not much skill needed to "trail brake" since the brake power levels were a 2 or 3 on the 1-10 scale.

I found a picture of Advintage camping with his Mom and Dad....
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I found a picture of Advintage camping with his Mom and Dad....
RC, Does look a lot like us and it could be one of those rare moments nether of my parents had a cigarette in there mouth.
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Wow A69, your had a hot looking mom
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